I'm contemplating adding a 24" Ecoxotic panorama led fixture to a 93g cube build. Does anyone have any experience with this fixture or LED's in general. I'm looking for pros and cons with an emphasis on cons. If not this LED, is there a better option? If not an LED for this tank (30x30x24), then what would you suggest.

Any help would be appreciated.

If you want to see the color, go to deep blue in chamblee. You won't look at it a second time. It's very yellow and par below 18 inches is non existent. Something like 12. Price is relatively high, 499.99 or something. You can almost get a radion or 2 AI sol.

Are you sure it wasn't they way it was dialed in an not necessarily the fixture itself? I ask because I've heard people talk about the color being better than the radion or AI sol. Price wise $499 is pretty competitive IMO. Radions are double in price and I'd need two sol's to suit my tank, so I've been told. Plus I really like the mounting styles of the Ecoxotic's.

Pro: none that I can think of.
Con: Waste of money; there are far superior fixtures available for the money.

Pro: none that I can think of.
Con: Waste of money; there are far superior fixtures available for the money.

Okay Skriz. Elaborate! How is it a waste of money. What fixtures would be better and a good fit for my tank. No pro's, for this fixture or LED's in general. Im trying to formulate an opinion based on details. Help me out.

It's not controllable. So you can't dial it period, unless things have changed. My 25 is from them and I chose not to use their light. 499 is not competitive . If you must have ecoxotic, the Cannon is far superior.

Here you go.. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=180730515752&category=46314&_trksid=p5197.c0.m619

LOL everytime I see an LED thread DB366 posts that light.. you've almost got me sold and im not even looking for a new light :-p

The light is controllable you can dial the intensity. If paired with the apex you can use sunrise and sunset options for a realistic dusk/dawn effect. The fixture however is not programmable. So that means no lightning/cloud effects etc. I do believe that they they have an RGB module that has some programmable features.

So my question is if $499 isn't a competitive price, than what would be. If you consider that most metal halide and higher end t5 fixtures are in that ballpark or more expensive. Also in the case of comparing to metal halides I'd have to factor in the need to purchase and use a chiller.

I'm in no way an advocate of LED's over any other light source, but I want to make the most logical decision in the purchase. I heard plenty of factors that would lead me to believe LED's may be the way to go some I've mentioned plus I'm looking at the overall efficiency energy wise and maintenance.

So what I'm looking for is info that pertains to success or lack thereof in using LED's, the Ecoxotic in particular with a reef aquarium. It would also help to note any manufacturing issues with this fixture or any other LED or non LED light.

Db, I don't know why I get the feeling that light is one of those eBay knockoff brand brands. Just looks too good to be true type of things.

Oh I didn't realize they upgrade their fixture to the pro. But ur looking at 499 + 90 for the kit. I only have experience with the older model. But I would recommend The radion

I agree that the Radion seems like a better fixture but what bothers me is 2 things.

1: $750 seems like a bit much per fixture. There are more options available with programming, but I feel like some may become novelties such as thunderstorm/cloud options. IDK?

2: at just over 11 inches I feel like I may need two like the AI's. That drives the cost up more.

My first issue can be overlooked if I can justify the need to spend the money, I mean c'mon how many of us have sprung for a $400+ wireless powerhead?

The radion comes with a lot more color combination that can accomendate coral choices a little more. Eventually the novelty like tstorm and clown shadow becomes amusement. If its between two AI or 1 radion, I still go with the radion.

If you mean who of us spent that on vortechs, alot. And very few will ever complain. Eco tech, although expensive, makes very good products. And their customer service is second to none. You won't regret it. Plus resale value is much higher if u ever decide to sell later. Panaroma fixtures ... You might not be so lucky

Good points. I do think that at 24", the addition of RGB modules to add to color spectrum and not to forget the ability to add modules to fixture for more intensity, the panoramas may deserve some more credit. ESPECIALLY at $499. I guess I may need to give it some time to see who is the clear front runner. I'd hate to wait only because a light upgrade is key for my upgrade into a larger setup.

In this hobby , versatility is a very valueable asset. My bf and I change our minds about things maybe every day.

Db, I don't know why I get the feeling that light is one of those eBay knockoff brand brands. Just looks too good to be true type of things.

Ok JayU,. Elaborate! How is it too good to be true? What fixtures would be better and a good fit for my tank. No pro's, for this fixture or LED's in general. Im trying to formulate an opinion based on details. Help me out.

Okay Skriz. Elaborate! How is it a waste of money. What fixtures would be better and a good fit for my tank. No pro's, for this fixture or LED's in general. Im trying to formulate an opinion based on details. Help me out.

If you're looking for the best bang for your buck, then MH can't be beat. It will deliver more par and excellent colouration per watt and per $.

If you want LED, you will need more than one fixture, not matter which brand you're looking at. Ecoxotic is on the low end of the big name fixtures. I haven't used the newest ones, but the ones I did were weak. There are 3 others to look at: AI, Radion & Maxspect.

If I had $500 per fixture to spend, I would look at the maxspect and AI, definitely not the panorama.

If you're looking for the best bang for your buck, then MH can't be beat. It will deliver more par and excellent colouration per watt and per $.

If you want LED, you will need more than one fixture, not matter which brand you're looking at. Ecoxotic is on the low end of the big name fixtures. I haven't used the newest ones, but the ones I did were weak. There are 3 others to look at: AI, Radion & Maxspect.

If I had $500 per fixture to spend, I would look at the maxspect and AI, definitely not the panorama.

Thanks for the clarification. While I do realize that MH are the tried and true way to go, I simply wanted to do some investigation on other methods. I know that with MH's I'd have to incorporate a cooling system and I would love to work around that. The ecoxentric caught my eye with a reasonable price, ideal size and design.

Ok JayU,. Elaborate! How is it too good to be true? What fixtures would be better and a good fit for my tank. No pro's, for this fixture or LED's in general. Im trying to formulate an opinion based on details. Help me out.

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They are the same thing as every other black box led out there. If you are looking for lighting without all the bells and whistles then there is NO reason to pay over two hundred bucks. The reason I post it so much is because everytime I do people ask about it so people obviously arnt really exploring all of their led options.

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They are the same thing as every other black box led out there.

How many different ones did you hold in your hands?

In person I have seen one other. I should have said that the color can be different depending.

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Thanks for the clarification. While I do realize that MH are the tried and true way to go, I simply wanted to do some investigation on other methods. I know that with MH's I'd have to incorporate a cooling system and I would love to work around that. The ecoxentric caught my eye with a reasonable price, ideal size and design.

Not necessarily. With the right setup, you can control the temps quite nicely. You'd be amazed at how big of a difference a great reflector and properly vented canopy makes.

That's good news since I have no canopy. An recommendations on a good fixture that's 24" and will hang or mount nicely?

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No not at all unless you want it to be. Actually just a question that I thought you worded well and made a good point. I wanted to know why you had the opinion they are too good to be true. I own some very much like them if not the same and thought I might be able to respond to your apprehension of them. I hope you have success with your research. Pm sent regarding map.

I have 2 400 watt MH above my 90 gallon and no cooling system. Just have to be conscious of your room temperature.