I have them in a 20 gallon presently (after isolating them for a little over a week in a 10 gallon QT). Was sooo afraid I'd lose them, but they have turned out to be pretty active and relatively in the open. It's usually not hard to spot them.

The smaller one (Zoey)- has a "fork" on her right side, 3rd stripe.
http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/3644/dsc00022trw.jpg

Both of them: Zoey and Zeke + Halloween hermit
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/3343/dsc00025hpt.jpg

The much larger Zeke:
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/9567/dsc00065ady.jpg

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2601/dsc00071sgw.jpg

Bulging tummy....
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/1048/dsc00138hph.jpg

They now both eat from the pipette....luckily.
http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/8098/gobiesandclowns.jpg

Those are the two baby clowns Bob! Everyone is getting along well :D I feedz them well lol:
http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/2640/dsc001461.jpg

SWEET!!!!! They all look very happy and well adjusted now! Great pics, good luck with them and keep us posted.

BZ

ahh! everyone looks so adorable!
I can't wait to get by Bob Clowns. haha. Those little gobies are too precious.

For Bobz...doing well. Haven't "paired up" yet. Every now and then they chase each other so we'll see. They are eating well though and often share territories.

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/8238/dsc005391.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/3940/dsc00382c.jpg

http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/9713/dsc00551x.jpg

the gobies are awesome

Great pics! Thanks! They look very happy. Z

Good news! :thumbs: The two are finally pairing up. :yay: The larger of the two (with the long first spine on the dorsal-"Zeke") is constantly swim hopping up to the smaller ones face (Zoey) rather excitedly. He has been repeating this very often. The smaller one then proceeds to follow him around with him occasionally "checking" back then leading.

I am a bit confused as to who is male and who is female atm. I was under the impression that the male is smaller than the female and is the one who does the courting. However, it is the larger of the two who is doing the courting. The 'male', Zeke, does have that long first dorsal spine that is often evident in the male gender. I guess just the size difference is throwing me off. :confused2:

Can anyone clarify? Bobz?

Hopefully I can get some video up soon of them.

That is cool

These are one of my fav. gobies....planning on getting one soon. Affected where did you get them and what are you feeding them?? :)

Mysis Shrimp
Formula One VHP
Brine/Mysis sometimes soaked in Vitality
Prime Reef Flakes

They are from liveaquaria.

Good news! :thumbs: The two are finally pairing up. :yay: The larger of the two (with the long first spine on the dorsal-"Zeke") is constantly swim hopping up to the smaller ones face (Zoey) rather excitedly.
Can anyone clarify? Bobz?

Hopefully I can get some video up soon of them.

I think any one named "Zeke" must be a male.

Foot note: Not sure why but that was my nickname all through high school and college, and I have no idea how I got it. :D

BTW, I moved three of mine in to the nano with the Flaming Prawn Gobies and they are doing great. No obvious pairs but there is a size difference too. The fourth one, hitchhiked in a piece of live rock and ended up in a different tank! Still trying to catch it to put back with the other three!

Bob Z (formerly known as "Zeke")

Ack, Zeke! :P

Well, I think they are even more of an obvious pair now. They have agreed to move in together.

They presently inhabit a large shell located under the frogspawn (there is a broken piece in the front of the shell where they enter). The 'exit' they have made by shimmying sideways through the sand. :)

Any updates????

I haven't really been watching him very closely lately. I've been so busy! The last I checked on them they were still chasing each other around.... :/ I'm not so sure that the "move in" was permanent.

Mine are doing good too. I can't tell if they are laying any eggs because their "spot" is in the back of the tank. One is significantly bigger than the other one, the head is larger and I assume that is the male. Hope yours continue to do well and maybe you can find some eggs soon!
bob

I hope so! This morning when the lights turned on they were in the same place near the mushrooms at the shell where the larger one lives (he goes inside it).

It's interesting to watch. He will approach her (doing a head bobbing/turning in a very quick manner) combined with a quick excited hopping back and forth. Then he will quickly turn and go back to the shell. Upon seeing that she didn't follow him, he pokes his head back out of the shell. : ( Poor guy!

She appears to only be half interested in his attempts! Luckily, if there ever are eggs, they will likely be in the shell (which is easy to get to and at the front of my tank). Where it will remain when I switch to the 58 gallon.

Bobz, yay for size differentiation! That's a good first step. : )

I'm soooo excited! Yesterday I noticed the male GBG in the alcove of algae on the back glass (the algae I kept for the Rainfordi...). I didn't think anything of it until I examined today and saw all these eggs. He keeps fanning them too.

I have a spare 10 gallon that has been running as a QT (has sand, so that will have to go). Or if anyone wants a hand at raising GBG's? Eggs are ready to collect. Or if anyone has any food I can try my hand at raising them....

Bobz?

http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs140.snc3/18740_630521697533_23218309_37486093_226934_n.jpg

http://photos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs160.snc3/18740_630521702523_23218309_37486094_7087014_n.jpg

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Congrats! That's awesome. It's always great to see people get really involved and try to further the species we keep in our tanks. From coral propagation to fish breeding, it really does advance the hobby. Good luck!

Thanks, I'm so excited :D It's been a goal of mine since I first purchased the pair and I'm also a big supporter of captive breeding as well as coral propagation. I'm looking forward to the day where captive bred/propagated is cheaper than wild caught/harvested.

I'll try to get some video footage as soon as the camera is done charging.

I'll take any/all advice. Water the sponge. :thumbs:

I have a spare 10 gallon and 2.5 gallon as well as filters/heaters ect.

This is awesome!!!! I am soooo excited for you. I think you can easily get some rotifers going if you can get a culture from John or some one closer. I have some frozen instant algae that you can have for feeding the rotifers... maybe BaboonScience may want to collect the eggs as well.

best of luck and keep us posted!!!
bob Z

That's fantastic! Is this common for this species or was it your fishy skills?

That's fantastic! Is this common for this species or was it your fishy skills?

This is not an easy species to get to spawn... Allison is doing a great job to get this far! My pair is acting like a pair but no eggs yet. GREAT JOB! :yay:

Thanks :)

And I found the forum...
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=844416&pp=25&page=7

I think starting on page 7 was his last successful batch. He used SS rotifers and phyto to start. Enriched rotifers with selcon. I take the SS rotifers are a smaller strain?

Thanks :)

And I found the forum...
http://reefcentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=844416&pp=25&page=7

I think starting on page 7 was his last successful batch. He used SS rotifers and phyto to start. Enriched rotifers with selcon. I take the SS rotifers are a smaller strain?

yes. I think John Lauth may have some. The good news is that once they start laying eggs they should keep it up so you should have ample opportunity to try and raise them!
bz

very cool!

This is awesome!!! Great job gal, and I think I did hear John(BaboonScience) say something about these a while back....Shoot him a PM...

How long before they hatch, mom?

lol....

It takes about 7 days. We're on day 3 min/4 max. The problem is that I don't have the money for fry food. What I do have is ample time...sponsors welcome... :) heh. I will be expecting another batch at the end of 7 days since GBG's are known to lay eggs again right after the last batch hatches (no guarantees though). I have been feeding more since they are breeding.

Would need SS rotifers/rotifer food/ phyto...eventually artemia/ pod nauplii. Not to mention micromesh sieves/nets. ~40 microns I believe for the rotifers and other plankton. Also Selcon for soaking/enriching rotifers/plankton. I already have a couple spare 10 gallons, a five, some filters, air line tubing, heaters....

Just for curiosity, was wondering if cheato would be okay to place within the fry tank for some shelter. Could also help with oxygen levels? (likely too slight to be significant).

I can also get access to compound light microscopes to document pictures of growth. :up: Would be interesting to see. However, that would likely mean sacrificing a couple of them...

I do have a short video if anyone is really interested. It's nothing too exciting though...

This is awesome!!! Great job gal, and I think I did hear John(BaboonScience) say something about these a while back....Shoot him a PM...

I've PM'd him... :) Likely busy with New Years and all.

I really hope you're able to do this. That would be so neat! It's my dream to be able to breed mandarins one day. Good luck to you!

Allison,

I know you are a poor stuggling college student so I'll do what I can to help!:D
I have a sieve for the rotifers that you can borrow and ample supply of artemia eggs that you can hatch out. I also have enough instant algae for you to raise the rotifers... all you need to find is someone to give you the rotifers to get started. If you can't find a SS strain, I have a starter culture for L strain which you can try.
I'm not going to be using any of them any time soon. If you want to borrow them let me know!

Bob

BTW, I was checking on my pair after seeing your pics of the male and the eggs and guess what? Mine have eggs too!

BZ

Oh my goodness! Congrats to you both!

Haha, AWESOME Bob!

I was doing some research earlier and read up that they breed within the winter. So, it makes sense that their biological clock is ticking.

Thank you for all the offers. I've talked with John and I believe he's going to come by and pick up the eggs this round and hopefully get me started on some S strain rotifers. Although he told me that L strain should be fine if the incubation within the eggs is greater than 7 days.

Eggs are now larger and shiny. They look like bubbles.

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs160.snc3/18740_631141869703_23218309_37516074_3740537_n.jpg

Can you give some more info on how/where the eggs are being layed? From the picture it looks like a piece of live rock? Also can you share some of the behavior that the pair is showing?

My pair has chosen the back glass of the tank, in the far left corner just under a koralia powerhead. I had a couple of pieces of PVC in the tank, thinking that they would eventually find and use one of them, I also had a couple of very small clay pots that are covered in coraline algae now. The male has never shown any interest in any of those spots for spawning, but I have seen him in the same area in the back of the tank for a couple of months now. I did not think that they were spawning since I hardly ever see the male and female together. He mostly chases her away from the back corner of the tank. How do yours act?
The eggs look similar to your pictures, there are three or four small masses of them in about an inch square area. They are probably not as old as yours since they do not seem as far along in development. I'm guessing just a few days. It will be interesting to watch to see how often they lay eggs now that I know where they are. Still hoping you get a chance to raise some of your soon! I also have a larva catcher that you can borrow if you want to try and collect the fry as they hatch out. Just let me know!
Bob

OMG Bob, that's hilarious! Mine are spawning on the left side of the tank, on the glass, and under a penguin (rather than k nano) as well! I am definitely amused. Same exact time, same exact location. The blue is the color of the back of the aquarium and the eggs are within the "nuisance" algae.

Behavior:
Spawning location:

For months the male goby would stay under a shell on the sandbed. He would move sand out of it and try and "lead" the female back to it. I believe this was ideal spawning location #1.

Recently though, I adopted the rainfordi goby. The rainfordi goby decided that the shell was now his. He kept going into it and "posturing" around the male GBG whenever he was around. Simultaneously, I started growing the algae out on the back glass to provide habitat for the rainfordi's food (which he would pick from). It wasn't until a little over a week ago that I noticed the male in that area. It actually happened rather quickly, within a couple of days of him "claiming" the alcove of algae, eggs appeared. Now the algae is the GBG's and not the rainfordi's. Though animals don't do payback. :O

Between the pair:
For the past few months it's been as previously described: the male always approaching the female while wiggling his body/darting back and forth excitedly. She would watch then, usually, turn around and swim off.

Recently, I have noticed him seemingly "giving up." Less displaying and more just staying within her "area." She would watch him and not leave the area or follow him around a little. More interest from her and a little less from him. Apparently, that strategy paid off. Or perhaps he had already won her over with all his months upon months of grand displays!

As with yours, they are actually rarely together. She stays on the mid-right side of tank and him on the left. I haven't seem him chase her away ever. However, I've yet to see her care to venture over towards the eggs....

He's managed to chase off everyone else though...

That is interesting.... i wonder if your pair had eggs in the shell at some point in time and he lost the territory to the Rainsford. I was pretty sure that my pair had eggs when they were in the nano, in a barnacle cluster, but I could never positively confirm. They are interesting little fish though! I am hoping that you or John can raise some. If you want to try and need eggs, you are welcome to mine as well.
BZ

This is the coolest thing ever. Always thought it'd be awesome to have a pair of Randall's gobies.

http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/663/dsc02923z.jpg

That is fantastic!!! I'd offer up my help but, you've been the one helping me so...lol.

So, good news and bad news...

I did go and watch ~15 minutes after the lights turned out last night but there was no hatching. I went to bed and then checked in the morning to find that all the fry hatched last night with the exception of approximately 5 eggs. I looked in the tank and found no survivors. Upon closer observation I witnessed the male GBG picking at the nest and the remaining eggs. He then took one of what appeared to be an egg within his mouth, then pushed out a small fry. It swam immediately to the surface where I was able to collect him:

Pictures:
http://img12.imageshack.us/img12/1858/gobyfry.jpg

and

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/3994/gobyfry.png

Video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVjfLQfiLxc

There was also one fry STILL ALIVE in the skimmer... O.o However, I was unable to retrieve him in all the detritus. : (

The good news is that the male is presently cleaning the nest area and courting the female again. She is waiting right below the nest and is very receptive to him. I am assuming that they will spawn within the day.

Bobz:

I believe the plan is for John to come and collect the next batch. By then he will have plenty of ss rotifers. The following batch I will hopefully be raising here with John's help on staring up phyto and ss rotifer cultures. I know he's also interested in collecting some of yours. In the future, I wouldn't mind helping you out as well (well, more like helping eachother out!)

As for this one fry....no idea what to do....

He's in a vase with an airline tube within my female Betta's 10 gallon. Temperature is set on 79F.

Atrey- Thanks :)

Hackman! You always make me laugh! You can help me do cultures! It'll be fun, I promise! :D

Bettas are not good companions for goby fry. I think. Let me check my charts.

Bettas are not good companions for goby fry. I think. Let me check my charts.

I think he's in a container in the betta tank...just there to hold temperature

Congrats at least on the success of coming this far. Job well done! I can't wait to see the next round or 2.

Jeremy, you so silly! But but....she's very friendly!!111!!!1 I kept the male next to her with a divider and she kept jumping over the divider to get to the male. For what purpose??? Just to be in the same area apparently. :/ It didn't matter which side I put her on. Not once did she chase or harass him, yet he would hide in the corner and stress. Very rare in betta land that males/females don't fight.

Goby fry's roommate:

http://img10.imageshack.us/img10/1207/dsc010381.jpg

Yeah, I was only joking.

I like your beta's face expression. Looks like HUH!? haha

Getting ready for Spawn #2 (hopefully) with him trying to lore her back to the nest (mass of "nuisance" algae):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6HrHVATRNg

Yes that's carmex lipbalm and it's shaky because I'm starving.

So, what to do with single fry? I'm a softy...I feel as though I should try and get some L strain and feed him....:sad:

Great pics! I raised two clownfish larva one time because I did not have the heart to let them go!! so i know how you feel. The description of the male taking one of the eggs and releasing the fry was amazing. I have never seen or heard that they would do that. If you can get some rotifers I would give it a shot!
Bob

this is cool.

Spawn #2: 1-4-2009

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/8098/dsc029591.jpg

And as to why spawning location was originally moved:

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/718/dsc029631.jpg

-note: Spawn #1 was actually only ~5 days. <<7 days expected. Will be interesting to see how many days Spawn #2 is. A bonus is that now I know what to look for the night of hatching.

Wow...that did not take long at all! It looks like they lay all the eggs at one time. I was wondering about that since mine (and yours) seem to have several seperate masses of eggs which I thought might be layed at different times. Based on your pics, it looks like they must spawn and lay the eggs at one time and not over a period of hours or even days. Very cool.
BZ

I seriously want one of these WHEN you guys get them hatched! this is so awesome Allison. I hope the little guy makes it!!! But if not, at least you can learn from him

What a fanastic love story:) How amazing that this hobby has come this far and it is just the beggining. I just could not imagine that hobbiest would be raising fry like you guys are doing. Keep up the inspirational work.

You guys are amazing.

Chris,
I agree! The more hobbyists that try and raise some fish, the more we can learn! It can be a lot of work, but it is rewarding. Keep us posted!
BZ

Atrey! He's already hatched! Come get him! :P He needs some ss rotifers though....

Thanks Chris...and here is Detrich acclimating (I already fed him mysis today):
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs160.snc3/18740_631692151933_23218309_37541630_1676806_n.jpg

All GBG's are doing well. Female is much smaller. Will update again after the next hatch.

Yeah, I barely even know what you're talking about! haha. I know what they are...sorta....and that you have to grow that stuff...but that's as far as my brain understands haha.

The early stages:

Rotifers:
Zooplankton which are ~ .04 - 2.5 mm or 40 - 2500 microns. Usually 100-300 microns. Can reproduce parthenogenetically.

ss rotifers are smaller sized rotifers. ~100 microns.

Here is an s strain:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zk7JBzaohUk

Isochrysis (food for rotifers)
Isochrysis sp. (strain T.iso): a golden brown flagellated algae which is high in DHA (at least 10% of lipids)- Docosahexaenoic acid- an omega-3 fatty acid. The strain T.iso, I believe, differs in its sterol content from the other strains of isochrysis (99% brassicasterol). It also has a significantly higher alkenone content.

"Effects of DHA-enriched live food on growth, survival and incidence of opercular deformities in milkfish (Chanos chanos)" by Gapasin and Duray, 2000.

When fry were fed rotifers which were, in turn, fed enriched food with higher levels of DHA vs. chlorolla sp, survival was significantly better (p < .05). Long term > 60 days, growth was significantly higher (p < .05). After the grow out stage, fish survivability was found to be significantly related to DHA enrichment (p > .05). Deformaties of the operculum were also reduced.

http://muse.lib.nccu.edu.tw:9797/MuseSessionID=4eb833d127b048682e99e9af497a558/MuseHost=ejournal.sinica.edu.tw/MusePath/bbas/content/2001/3/230801.JPG
A & B-shows the flagella
C- shows the accumulation of lipid bodies where DHA is stored
(Isochrysis sp) from Liu and Lin, 2000.

It's a cumulative effect from phytoplankton --> rotifers --> fry. A single rotifer can consume thousands of cells a day, the fry then eat the rotifers causing an accumulation of DHA and other compounds within the tissues of a fry.

very interesting..thanks for sharing.

Wow. That isn't more than I ever wanted to know, but a little more than I can understand without re-reading and researching

Hatch: 1-9-2009

I have approximately 70 fry accounted for so far which has taken from around 12:30 today until now. :eek: There are still about 40-50 eggs left. My attempt at staying up last night and checking on time intervals until 5 am has proved futile! :lol2: Next task: finding a more efficient fry collection method!

This is dedication!

Interesting behaviors noted:
-Fry hatch within 15-20 minutes of lights on
-The parental care of the male is above and beyond. Not only does he guard the fry alone for 5 or so days and fan/nudge the eggs consistently, but upon hatching day he places the eggs into his mouth whereupon he hatches them. He then releases them into the water column away from the nest. Usually this is done in "batches" of 1 to 10. There was one "accidental" release at the nest. He then swiftly took the fry into his mouth, swam away from the nest, and released the fry up away from the nest.
-The fry are attracted to PINK HYDNOPHORAS....and, of course, light.

Interestingly, the female has been hanging around the nest today and there was an attempt at spawning (will post video shortly). The video will help to explain the rather bizarre arrangement of the egg batches (3 - 4 batches in a circle). However, there were many eggs still within the nest and I believe that could possibly be a reason for spawn abort.

I will also post pictures of all the fry soon. :) John (Baboon Science) is planning on picking them up tomorrow. He has enough rotifer cultures going.

Allison, this is awesome, thanks for posting all of the info. I would also like to raise some young'ns someday and the info you have posted is awesome!! Keep us posted!!

Allison,
Fantastic! This level of detail is very valuable. I have a larva collector here at the house that you are welcome to try for the next batch of fry. It basically draws water in through the bottom via an air pump, and the fry are deposited in to a large chamber as the water flows out the trap. I have used it to successfully collect Ocellaris, Pajama Cardinal, Tailspot Blenny, and even Cleaner Shrimp larva. You would put it in the tank when you belive the hatch will occur and simply let it run all night (or in your case morning?). Then you just transfer the larva to the larva tank, in my case a couple of 2 gallon round glass goldfish bowls. This process worked very well when I was raising the clownfish. Let me know if you want to try it and you can come by today to pick it up.

BZ

Allison,
Fantastic! This level of detail is very valuable. I have a larva collector here at the house that you are welcome to try for the next batch of fry. It basically draws water in through the bottom via an air pump, and the fry are deposited in to a large chamber as the water flows out the trap. I have used it to successfully collect Ocellaris, Pajama Cardinal, Tailspot Blenny, and even Cleaner Shrimp larva. You would put it in the tank when you belive the hatch will occur and simply let it run all night (or in your case morning?). Then you just transfer the larva to the larva tank, in my case a couple of 2 gallon round glass goldfish bowls. This process worked very well when I was raising the clownfish. Let me know if you want to try it and you can come by today to pick it up.

BZ

More details/pics/etc of the fry collector, please.

More details/pics/etc of the fry collector, please.


+1, very interested in seeing this Bob!!:D

Bad news:
What I had was 70 fry. :sad: The airline tubing came untied last night (I'm not sure for how long); it was between bouts of collecting fry so I lost most the fry from yesterday. It's hard to moderate the airline flow from the air pump I have. Does anyone have one with a valve? Or a very low flow... ~ 1 bubble a second or few. The flow was set perfectly and I thought the tubing was tied well.... :/

Good news:
However, this morning I was able to collect 25 fry and there are about 5-10 fry from some collection later last night. Total ~30 fry. Not the number I was hoping for but better than no fry.

Remaining fry swimming around:
http://img706.imageshack.us/img706/992/dsc03135qq.jpg


And attempted Spawning Video (as promised):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wjkg0V9yDBM

You can tell from the video that the male pushes the female around in a circular pattern (hence the circular batches of eggs). I believe the spawn was not completed since a majority of Spawn #2 was still unhatched (as seen in the video).

AND as crazy as it seems: SPAWN #3 1-10-2009
3 spawns < 15 days!
http://img85.imageshack.us/img85/6281/dsc03126y.jpg

Only 2 batches this time (but one is very dense, with at least 50+ eggs). The eggs also seem larger though not as numerous. Possible trade off or limitation of energy considering all the spawns.

You can also see in the picture that the new eggs were laid over the eggs not hatched yet. There were about 25 of those that hatched this morning that I collected which were within the new batch.

-Bobz, thanks! I'll have to check it out!
-Blue thanks :)

More details/pics/etc of the fry collector, please.

I actually picked one up from a guy on MOFIB that was making them so I can not take credit for the design. I'll have to go back and find the link. I'll dig it out and post some pics in another new thread so as not to clutter up Allison's and take in a different direction.

BZ

This is truly amazing to me. I can't wait to see your progression Allison! Thanks for all your hard work! How are you planning to do this AND school??? haha. you crazy!
Where in K-saw do you live btw?

Atrey, thanks and PM'd. :)

Bob and John, BIG THANK YOU for all your generosity and help! :yay:

Phyto and rotifer cultures are being started. Spawn #2 fry are on their way to Athens.

Bad news is that the fry (batch 2) did not fair well on the trip home. Several survived and are still fairing well.
I believe that it was the temperature shift on the drive home. The water cooled off much more than I expected. It was one of the coldest nights of the season, so far that is. I will definitely be better prepared for the next batch.

That was also the night that we came down with some bug of our own. I hope that we did not transfer that to you Alison.
John

more pics!!! :D

I actually picked one up from a guy on MOFIB that was making them so I can not take credit for the design. I'll have to go back and find the link. I'll dig it out and post some pics in another new thread so as not to clutter up Allison's and take in a different direction.

BZ

Bob, have you posted this thread yet?

Bob, have you posted this thread yet?


Yes... in this forum. Here is the link:

http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=37584

Allison has my snagger and is modifying it to work with the GBGs. I am hoping she posts some pics of it in use and how it is working for her..

BZ

Update:

We I have now collected Spawn #3 and we are on Spawn #4!!!

I will get pictures/post more information soon. I could not have done this without my roommate, Kane, since I was gone today during the hatching and most of the spawning. So it was really all him this time!

Bob: as for the collector: I tried to do the modification on it with the blue air line and it didn't seem to work well. I'm 99% positive that it's because they hatch when the lights are on. So the trick of having a light on with the collector doesn't pull it and they won't hatch out many without lights on....

I even tried to use blue airline hose since Matt had luck on attracting them with this. There was no significant difference with this for me.

This awesome, I will be tagging along. If some of these guys are ever available I would like to get 2 or 3 if possible. Again really great details.

That's interesting about the lights. Wonder if you can have all the lights off in the house and just a desk lamp on over the tank, if that would work?

Do they all hatch at close to the same time, or is it like 1 every 5min?

Too bad the snagger will not work with these guys. Kane deserves a medal for spending what I am guessing is the better part of the day collecting the larva!
Nice job and good luck. Hopefully they will eat the size rotifers you have.

Spawn #4 Video
She wiggles to push out the eggs and he follows with insemination...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqQZIq9EIhk

Fry from Spawn #3 in Greenwater (nannochloropsis and Tetraselmis + S strain rotifers):
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/4227/dsc032461.jpg

You can see 2 fry above the Betta (~2-3")...all those "white dots" are the rotifers...
http://img697.imageshack.us/img697/9671/dsc032551.jpg

The water is moving in a gentle circular motion with the fry staying within the middle...
I will start on enrichment with Selcon today.

Too cool! Love it!

Too bad the snagger will not work with these guys. Kane deserves a medal for spending what I am guessing is the better part of the day collecting the larva!
Nice job and good luck. Hopefully they will eat the size rotifers you have.

Thanks Bob. Luckily 60-70% hatched out within an hour. The rest were spread out over the next 4 hours. Much better than the 24+ hour hatch out of the previous spawn.

That's interesting about the lights. Wonder if you can have all the lights off in the house and just a desk lamp on over the tank, if that would work?

Do they all hatch at close to the same time, or is it like 1 every 5min?

I'm not so sure if the desk lamp would work. I keep moonlights on at night and that does not catalyze hatching. I suppose it is possible depending on how strong it is. They are in the laundry room (lol) ...so the only light is from the tank itself.

Well, Spawn #2 took over 24 hours to hatch out! It was ridiculous. He was only hatching out 1 -2 at a time over the period. It would come in "bursts"- 1-2 every few minutes for about 15-20 minutes total, then a break for a similar amount of time.

This time it was 2-7 at a time for the first hour. Then just 1-2 for the next few hours....

Matt has recorded different results with his GBG's releasing all within 30 minutes. However, I believe predation was low within in his tank...so maybe only releasing a few at a time is the result of predation pressure (I have a clown in there, tiger goby, rainsfordi)....

Very cool video! Thanks for posting it.

Thanks Bob! Working on a video/picture of the S strain rotifer (yes from a microscope) ;) as well as Tetraselmis. Then I'm going to try and see if I can isolate a fry to check its gut...

I took a picture of one of the rotifers (note egg sacks and full gut):
http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/67/dsc03352i.jpg

& some videos:
Rotifer feeding:
http://www.youtube.com/user/affectedhalf#p/a/u/0/Djr_fMRzT1Y

Closer mag with gut:
http://www.youtube.com/user/affectedhalf#p/a/u/1/DnZiHdGwHgI

Fry (the gut looks mostly empty to me?) Right below the swim bladder correct?
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong...unless there is some accumulated towards the posterior end.
http://img684.imageshack.us/img684/2020/dsc033611.jpg

I am presently enriching some rots...so we'll see. Water is still green (only one dead fry collected within the past day) and many rotifers in there....

I have since added another 40% of rot culture from jar 1...as well as the enriched in selcon rots from last night.... -crosses fingers-

Good luck... btw, when do you SLEEP???

BZ

Bob....sleep??!!!??? What's that? Pfft, I don't sleep easily so I'd say 2-5 am. :(

From Spawn #4 (the nest is very disorganized-little batches everywhere)
http://img121.imageshack.us/img121/4152/dsc03429b.jpg

The female with her Tiger Goby buddy (at feeding time):
http://img63.imageshack.us/img63/7945/dsc03461y.jpg

I counted the rotifer density within the greenwater and came up with ~6/mL. Therefore, I added some more rotifers from the cultures. Had to use some nannochloropsis instead of the tetraselmis (since my phyto culture is getting low- eek!). Will probably need to get more instant algae/live phyto soon.

I checked on the fry in the greenwater and they are all swimming mightily. Quick observation of the rotifers showed that they are indeed alive and swimming around.

Hey, how are they doing? Any eating rotifers that you can tell?

Hey, how are they doing? Any eating rotifers that you can tell?

I was just wondering the same thing.

Hackman and Bob,

What I suspect is that they were unable to feed due to the environment. :sad: I have yet to see a fry within the past day. The water quality is good (and the rotifers are bountiful-I siphon out the bottom a couple of times daily):
SG= 1.025
Temp= 79F
pH = 8.0
ammonia= ~0*
nitrate= ~0*
Nitrite= ~0*
*undetectable

, flow is fine, there are plenty of S rotifers in there and phytoplankton. After reading Witt's book, he emphasized BLACK ROUNDED walled vessels because the fry become easily disoriented and unable to find food within bright light. Other sources have confirmed this. In squares, they can easily become damaged within the corners. The bowl they were in was completely open and surrounded by high light (T5 HO). Therefore, making it almost impossible for them to prey upon the rotifers. It is possible that GBG fry may be more sensitive to being surrounded by light within the first few days more so than fry from other species. The next rig will have top down light ONLY.

This leaves me with two options:
1). Paint the 2 gallon fish bowl black (I would do 2 of these rather than one)
2). Buy a black tub (I was looking at 5+ gallon shallow tubs) and rig it up like this:
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/3107/bubblesn.png

Where the water flow should theoretically create more horizontal flow with the airline in the middle....to compensate for the lack of circular flow in the fish bowl. A main pro of doing a tub is larger/more stable water (especially if I can get a 15 or so gallon)....

Suggestions welcome....

Think about getting a plastic "goldfish bowl" from Petsmart. There are far fewer corners.

Well, the tubs I'm looking at are rounded :) My drawing is horrible! The very round goldfish bowls....the water won't circulate like in the "drum style"...

The drum style bowls I have are perfect for circulation but not so much for water quality (at only 2 gallons). If I had enough live phyto that could help counter the effects but I don't....so for instant algae, I'm thinking maybe a larger vessel would do best?

Well, the tubs I'm looking at are rounded :) My drawing is horrible! The very round goldfish bowls....the water won't circulate like in the "drum style"...

The drum style bowls I have are perfect for circulation but not so much for water quality (at only 2 gallons). If I had enough live phyto that could help counter the effects but I don't....so for instant algae, I'm thinking maybe a larger vessel would do best?

Im not sure I understand what youre saying. The water circulates very well in the rounde bowls. Theyre more like spheres or globes. There is a much smaller flat area, so the flow is more "circular".

Allison, just letting you know you've inspired me to get a pair of GBGs. Not sure about rearing fry yet, although it's something I'd love to be able to do in the future. I've been planning a goby-only tank, and these are on their way!

Im not sure I understand what youre saying. The water circulates very well in the rounde bowls. Theyre more like spheres or globes. There is a much smaller flat area, so the flow is more "circular".

It's more the direction of flow in the drum vs. the sphere.... both of them can equally "mix." Fry feed primarily/most easily within horizontal flow. There is more horizontal flow within the drum style than the sphere.

Or in the case of the BRT, the horizontal flow is concentrated at the top and bottom (so the more shallow, the better...)

As observed by others, the fry will align themselves within this horizontal flow as to snatch the tasty rotifers. The less vertical flow, the better, since fry don't primarily feed this way.


Brian- Glad to hear it! They are excellent nano fish :) However, for breeding, they are not the easiest!

Not sure if you can still find them at big box stores or maybe you have a Michael's nearby, but what about a wreath storage container? They're shallow (maybe 5") but should hold a substantial amount of water with a 18" diameter, about 6gallons if my approximations are correct, and come in red and green, solid enough that it should not allow light in at the sides.

Don't know if that's too shallow or wide that it won't provide enough flow for them, but it would be a lot of horizontal flow...just thinking out loud.

Dang,
I should have mentioned the light and covering the sides. I used only a small light from above and put cardboard / construction paper along the sides of the bowl to keep out light. I also kept the green water pretty "dark" to help with finding rotifers for the clown larva.
bob

Not sure if you can still find them at big box stores or maybe you have a Michael's nearby, but what about a wreath storage container? They're shallow (maybe 5") but should hold a substantial amount of water with a 18" diameter, about 6gallons if my approximations are correct, and come in red and green, solid enough that it should not allow light in at the sides.

Don't know if that's too shallow or wide that it won't provide enough flow for them, but it would be a lot of horizontal flow...just thinking out loud.

Thanks! I was actually looking at something similar today (racking my brain)....
I can't believe I forgot...I worked at a stable for well over a year and they have so many tubs that could potentially work well:

example:
http://ep.yimg.com/ca/I/yhst-14748486447649_2088_224460325
^ I found a 7 gallon one like that (not rubber though) and am seriously considering it. I don't have too much time though as the fry should be hatching in the morning. I found it at Horsetown.


It's okay Bobz, I should have known better. I was reading up on a different source stating that the fry needed LOTS of strong light. :/ I believe it was wrong. :(

So the question I pose is (Which one???)
A). 2 x 2 gallon fish bowls
B) 7 gallon BRT

I could also do a larger 10 gallon or 15 gallon...but it will be deeper(more vertical flow)....

I have two BRT if you want to borrow one...the challenge with the larger size is that you will need a lot more rotifers to keep it at the right density for the larva.

Going the route of the two painted black bowls....

Presently, I've collected 30+ larva (much smaller batch this time). They are spawning again....

There are still ~15 or so that need to hatch. Will go back....and check....

Spawn #5: is on it's way (1-20-2009)

http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/4441/dsc037011.jpg

Pushing out eggs:
http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5729/dsc03659y.jpg

She gets ghostly pale during egg laying:
http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/6581/dsc03658zi.jpg

My 2nd attempt: I have about 16-20 strong alive fry from Spawn 4 in a black painted 2 gallon with ample rotifers, the right amount of flow, nanno and tetra greenwater, and indirect light. One side of the bowl is not painted (for viewing) so it is covered with a removable black trashbag.

So far I have 3 strong rotifer cultures going (almost too strong: I must harvest once a day). This is also set at room temperature (67F) here...I considered putting them in the water bath the fry are in, but am afraid of getting too much growth....

There was, at max, 50 fry from spawn number 4. I am wondering how often/what to feed the breeding pair for maximum fry/health. I really like the idea of making my own food (fresh seafood) and am open to that. Right now I've been feeding them: VHP formula, mysis, brine, cyclopeeze and of course there are pods in the tank. I have started feeding everyday (since breeding) and I'm considering upping that to twice a day.

Those are fantastic pics. Is this common for them to breed so often? I'm not at all a breeder. Just following along and watching and learning.

It is fairly common for GBG's to do so assuming all requirements for them are being met. Mine are actually spawning a little faster than other observations. Matt's were spawning every 7-8 and mine are spawning every 5-6. I think alot of that has to do with temperature affecting the development of the embryos. My tank runs hot at 80-81 and I think Matt's was at 76-77F.

They have overlapping batches, so I believe the faster development is causing for shorter durations between spawns.

It is fairly common for GBG's to do so assuming all requirements for them are being met. Mine are actually spawning a little faster than other observations. Matt's were spawning every 7-8 and mine are spawning every 5-6. I think alot of that has to do with temperature affecting the development of the embryos. My tank runs hot at 80-81 and I think Matt's was at 76-77F.

They have overlapping batches, so I believe the faster development is causing for shorter durations between spawns.

By overlapping batches are you meaning that they still have unhatched eggs and are laying again?

'xactly

I would think that increasing the feeding might help. I was trying to feed my breeders two or three times a day and on a varied diet. The challenge is that you can drive up your nitrates if you are not careful and they are not eating all the food. In your case, with the other fish in the tank, it might not be a problem since they will have alot of competition.

Okay, I will get started on that: 2 x a day feeding. :)

I checked the rot [ ] and ended up with about 12/mL ...so that's good!
About to add some more nannochloropsis....and siphon out the bottom.

I checked to see fry and saw a few of them going strong. They are actually very fast!

Spawn #6 is here. 1-26-2009

I did not capture Spawn #5 because I was busy and wanted a break from it all! I started feeding the female more often and it appears to have paid off. There are at least 30% more eggs in this batch than the last one and the one before that....

Out of the 15 from Spawn #4, I have 5 left that are going strong. I've been doing water changes daily (from the broodtank) and adding nanno. Still on the search/needing isochrysis.

On the plus side, I've broken my own record! 5 days they are still alive :) I would love to pull one to check the gut but there are only 5 and I don't feel it necessary to risk it. :) Parameters in the fry tank are good, flow is good, and rotifers are abundant. I had a LED light over the fry tank but have since removed it and am using ceiling light ONLY. Afraid the LED might have gotten in the way of feeding....

Good job! As you figured out, it's all about incremental progress. Each time you learn something that helps with the next batch. Hang in there and don't give up! You are doing great.
BZ


Spawn #6 is here. 1-26-2009

I did not capture Spawn #5 because I was busy and wanted a break from it all! I started feeding the female more often and it appears to have paid off. There are at least 30% more eggs in this batch than the last one and the one before that....

Out of the 15 from Spawn #4, I have 5 left that are going strong. I've been doing water changes daily (from the broodtank) and adding nanno. Still on the search/needing isochrysis.

On the plus side, I've broken my own record! 5 days they are still alive :) I would love to pull one to check the gut but there are only 5 and I don't feel it necessary to risk it. :) Parameters in the fry tank are good, flow is good, and rotifers are abundant. I had a LED light over the fry tank but have since removed it and am using ceiling light ONLY. Afraid the LED might have gotten in the way of feeding....

Spawn #4:

Sadly, I am down to just one. :( I lost the other one today, but I was able to learn from him and gather some pictures...they are eating, so rotifers/food is not the problem. Development at Day 11:

http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8731/dsc03738.jpg

http://img246.imageshack.us/img246/29/dsc03740t.jpg

http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/6836/dsc03743.jpg

Spawn #6
Hatched during lights out! It was unexpected...was only able to collect 9. There were 6 still swimming around and he hatched out 3 more. I have an unhatched one-making it 10, but I'm not so sure I will be able to get him out.

Spawn #7 1-31-2009
Is here! It is as large as the last spawn. I will be using Bob's device at night on this next one as well as cutting off filtration during the night. Just to make sure we can get them.

Everyone else is doing fine. From spawn #4, I still have that one...

13 days so far....

Spawn #3 is still going fine except for a couple that I lost the first day.

2-5-2010

Spawn #4
One fry still going strong @ 16 days old. I have a culture of artemia going for him. I have periodically been enriching rots and using phytofeast (which has iso).

Spawn #6
There are still some in there...it's hard to count! 4+

Spawn #7
FINALLY, a successful transfer/collection!!! 50+ fry (I don't know the exact number). I lucked out and was able to get him hatching him right before I went in there to turn the lights on. Almost 100% collection, I think I only missed 1-3 fry. And, amazingly, he hatched them out within 15 minutes!! Like a normal GBG and not over 5+ hours! I would hug his little fishy body if I could. :love: Usually within the hour I can see a couple -> a few dead little bodies in the bottom. NONE yet.

Spawn #8
TBA. Oddly enough, none yet. She spent the night under the nest but hasn't gone into it today yet-is on the other side of the tank. Appears to be fat though, so we shall see.

Reading Witt's book, my greatest loss has been at transport (death within the first 1-2 days) which is common in smaller gobies that are collected via siphon. However, since they are spawning on glass and I don't have a tumbler, it's the best I can do. I think I've figured a way of minimizing losses via direct collection into vessel. I know it seems obvious, and well, it is. However, I was previously worried about heat loss since he was hatching over several hours. Hopefully he keeps up the 15 minute hatchout.

Nice work gal!!! Keep it up!!

Very cool! Before long you will be a master at it...

That's awesome! Thanks for all of the updates!

Thanks everyone :)

Haha, the updates are also for me ;) This is the only log I've been keeping. :)

Spawn #8

http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1429/dsc04085.jpg

Laying eggs here (you can really see how pale she gets)

http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/3084/dsc040821.jpg

Male is below
http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/9425/dsc04093.jpg

They are worse than rabbits!

haha! Seriously, it's getting ridiculous! 7 spawns in one month. However, as expected, the batches do get a bit smaller. I did up feeding and that helped a bit. No need to push it though. I have 3 different batches I'm working on now in hopes of having success with one of them. I just want to make it to meta...repeat. It will be gold past that....:djsmilie:

Great thread....I just jumped on board this evening and read through everything.

I'm planning a smaller tank in my VERY near future. And have added GBG to the stock list. Crazy interesting little guys and wonderful color!

Keep up the good work.

Thanks for all the updates. I have really enjoyed following the progrees. Good luck with them
Sheryle :)

It's like having another full time job keeping up with all the spawns and larva. Great job!
bz

Thanks everyone and it is like having another job.

GA daisy, I agree, they are wonderful little gobies. I also have the Tiger goby and Red head from the Elacatinus genus. If you love the GBG's, I highly recommend looking into the Red Head. Mine is very active and bold. :up:

Just hatched out some artemia and fed to fry from spawn 4. Lessoned learned: decapsulate! PITA making sure you miss all the eggs. Next time I will also feed the artemia earlier. However, he/she is still very active and eating.

It takes some practice but eventually you should be able to siphon them without getting any shells! Decapsulating will work too but it's a pita too.

I'm going to decapsulate in bulk. Should be able to keep the eggs for a month in the fridge. :up: So I don't have to decap every time or siphon out between eggs.... but yes, still a PITA. :lightsaber2:

well?????? been almost a whole week with out an update.... we needs pics and news!!

Everything was going great (with the fry that is) until today...which is why I haven't updated.

Bad -> Worse

I have had a crisis in my main tank. The refractometer was incorrectly calibrated (I recently switched from the hydrometer). I recently noticed that the main tank was looking crappy. The corals were bleaching a bit and some receding. I went through tests, things were fine. So, I changed bulbs. Finally, I used a different hydrometer and found that my tank water is at 1.019. :sad: I'm heartbroken. I keep my reef tank high at around 1.026...significant drop. The greatest error in my 5 years in the hobby so far. A stupid error too. Are there ever any smart errors? :sad: At, of course, the worst possible time.

I lost the eggs that were in the tank. Spawn #8. I'm 99.99% + that it's due to hyposalinity. I have been bumping up the salinity slowly and am now at 1.023. Corals are starting to look better (no official deaths yet) but are no where near where they need to be. All fish are fine (thankfully) and the GBG, a few days later and with boosted salinity have spawned again. There are about 60 eggs.

Well, the spawn that were VERY healthy (the 50+ spawn #7) almost all died last night due to the water change @ 6 days old. The water chemistry had to change in my main tank (when I do water changes for the fry I use the main tank). I had to use made saltwater (over 24 hours old) to do about 10% water change. My main tank water is still off and unstable. :sad: Main tank is also at 1.023 and fry tank is at 1.021. It could have been a number of factors in the changed water chemistry since fry are well known to be sensitive to changes. I feel as though, no matter what, I could not win since the main tank conditions have changed so much and the fry are very sensitive. :sad: Water change was necessary as I've been using only instant algae/phytofeast rather than live and was already late on that change...

For the first time I actually almost feel defeated. It's quite disheartening. I've tried so hard, so much effort, and I really felt like I could get that last batch to meta. I had a system and they were very strong. Depressing. Most depressing that it is all over a refractometer error that was highly avoidable. Something simple...

Positive side?

I still have the little beast from spawn #4....he is 22 days old. I have just hatched out some more artemia for him. Going to feed him the young ones now and enrich the others for feeding tomorrow. He still has plenty of rotifers as his disposal as well. I am going 1/2 blind at this point, the longest I've had a fry and having never done it before....

And from spawn #7, out of the 50, there are 2 sole survivors. They must be strong? :/ I should throw them in the main tank for fish food but haven't the heart. That would be the most economical, practical, and efficient method. Probably going to try, in vein, to raise them anyway.

And, of course, there is spawn #9 waiting in the main tank....5 days from now for hatching. My goal is to have the water chemistry stable enough by then...so I can do the water changes in the fry tank and not have this repeat. :sad: And of course, to not give up by then....

Don't you dare give up!! You will be successful, and you will kick your own arse for THINKING of giving up....you've come too far to not succeed! if you need some help, I'm not that far away!! Take a deep breath, recoup your frustration, and remember why you where doing this too start with! Remember when you told yourself that it wouldn't be easy?......well, you weren't lying!! Now, relax, and wait for the next hatching and start over. If I can help you know how to reach me......good luck! DON'T QUIT!!!:up:

You can't give up now you have a system going....Just have to iron out the bugs.

Heh, thanks :blush: I know, I know, I deserve the arse kicking for even considering.... I keep trying to tell myself, "it's not failure if you learn from it and improve...." The validity of that statement is freely open to questioning...

I just wish the learning curve wasn't so ^%#$@# steep. *shakes fist* at abstract curve. I guess there's a reason why no one ever published the book: The Little Engine that Just Couldn't. I mean, I would (.) Yes, I remember saying that it wouldn't be easy. I'm now wondering if I have an affinity for unnecessary difficulty or pain. Why find the steepest hills? For my own major, I chose Biology > English :doh: Or run those extra miles for CC..why do 5 when you can do 10? Maybe I do just secretly love those self inflicted arse kickings....

If I need anything.... >_> Well, I've always wanted a pony...I mean...it will inspire my fry raising.... :D

Oh but in reality, isochrysis, if anyone has any? Or even IA such nannochloropsis...I am out :sad: <- Needs help obtaining this. I've been having to rely on phytofeast...

Knock off the negative thinking Alison. If I were to start a thread right now about mistakes we've ALL made, it would be the longest thread in ARC history. Yours was more of an oversight...and an extremely common one. I have done volumes of things, worse things than that in my years of reef keeping.

I don't have to tell you there are trials and errors when it comes to these things. You're a scientist. You know this already. But, you're inspiring people to learn more about breeding and you have a ton of people backing you and willing to go out their way to help you.

We talked a little bit Tuesday about selling them and things of that nature. I'll give you $100 for the first fish you raise to maturity and decide to sell. So, now you have a customer base and an order to fill. When you get this down and completely figured out, you could be the ORA of Gobies.

With that said, spawn #8 is around the corner and they aren't waiting for you to decide you're ready for them. Brush it off and get back to it. You're doing a great job and I for one am proud of you!!!!

I have done that myself!
and I've also raised alk too much from a faulty test
left my doser off and screwed my alk (last week)

blah, blah, blah! you name it, I've probably screwed it up at some point!


We all make mistakes, sucks when it happens, but you and I are human. move on.

Oh man.... at least it sounds like your first one is doing well! I need you to keep trying since you are going to have to supply me with some tank raised when I am ready to start up my breeding setup again! :D

BZ

[quote=Hackman72;463540]Knock off the negative thinking Alison. If I were to start a thread right now about mistakes we've ALL made, it would be the longest thread in ARC history. quote]

just dont start the post off by telling the story about buying a dodge
even after a dodge mechanic advised against it.
:yuk:<<<<--------- things hackman might....ahum, will say.

hey alison, you need to talk to baboonscience about this
project of yours. hes in the know and can help you.

Knock off the negative thinking Alison. If I were to start a thread right now about mistakes we've ALL made, it would be the longest thread in ARC history.

just dont start the post off by telling the story about buying a dodge
even after a dodge mechanic advised against it.
:yuk:<<<<--------- things hackman might....ahum, will say

:spankme: I was a bad boy. I've never been accused of being a good listener. But, it's ok 'cause I've got a really good friend that's a dodge mechanic!!! :D

(...and now back to your regularly scheduled programing...)

:spankme:

now where did you get that pic of me and kirsten at? :shout:

We rarely learn the lesson by things that we get right.....its the f'ups that teach us the big lessons.

Lesson learned....you will never never never do this again. Done deal.

Always remember....it only takes one to be successful. Then, you simply copy those conditions for sustained success. Case point.....Thomas Edison and the light bulb.

The only person that thought you to be defeated was YOU.....the rest of us have faith in your persistance and desire to succeed. Go get'em girl.

Allsion,
Almost hate to ask but any updates?
BZ

This is a great thread - one of the best (if not the best) I've seen on Green Banded Gobies. Allison or Bob, any updates?

Roger

Sadly because of an error in calibration (I lost all the fry) and finances, I am forced to take a break from it. I will get back into breeding eventually though. I can't say exactly when or when I'll be posting back on ARC.

Thank you everyone for the support! I have leaned much and did make it to the point of meta.

Sadly because of an error in calibration (I lost all the fry) and finances, I am forced to take a break from it. I will get back into breeding eventually though. I can't say exactly when or when I'll be posting back on ARC.

Thank you everyone for the support! I have leaned much and did make it to the point of meta.

Bummer! :sad: If there is anything I can do to lend a hand let me know. BZ

Sadly because of an error in calibration (I lost all the fry) and finances, I am forced to take a break from it. I will get back into breeding eventually though. I can't say exactly when or when I'll be posting back on ARC.

Thank you everyone for the support! I have leaned much and did make it to the point of meta.

you need to come to the meeting and talk with baboonscience himself.
i think you were there when i talked with him last.
when he has something to say folks need to listen.
he knows the ropes and i bet he would be most willing to help you ninja.

I respectfully disagree Rick. That's not it at all. PM'd

and thank you Bobz, we will likely be in touch soon.

bummer, Alison!

Welcome back!