Whats up guys,

Jus wondering if anyone rides Dirtbikes out there?

Whats up guys,

Jus wondering if anyone rides Dirtbikes out there?

I have been riding for almost 30 years. This is the first year I don't actually own one. I finally broke down and sold my XR400 last year because it was getting too much of a hassle to drive it out 2 hours to ride (I live in Alpharetta).

I do ride my brothers stuff from time to time, but that is in TN and I only get up there 6-7 times a year. How about you, what are you riding these days?

I just sold my street bike last year.

I just sold my street bike last year.

I couldn't bare to part with mine. I gave up dirt, but even in this crazy cell phone using town I had to keep my street bike.

I got married and my wife asked me to get rid of it. I may buy another one later.

I got married and my wife asked me to get rid of it. I may buy another one later.

I can't blame you for giving it up or her for asking you to. Personally, I have a torn apart shoulder and knee from riding not to mention a few dings in the head. A good friend of mine is in a wheelchair for the rest of his life from riding. The scary part is he was one of the best riders I knew. We would go up to Dahlonega, I could barely keep up and I am no slouch.

I have been riding street for about 22 years. Currently have a 03' Honda CBR1100XX, Super Sport Tourer.

http://www.flyingarmy.com/Temp/IMG_4620800X600.JPG

i have an xr200 collecting dust.i sold my cbr600 awhile back,and im riding an 05 harley sportster 1200c now.Probably going to buy me another rocket sometime in the next couple years.I miss that bike.

I have a Katamonster. It is a 94 Katana 750 with a 98 GSXR 750 motor (did most of the work myself). Lots o' tweaks as well. Only does about 135mph due to gearing, but it is wicked fast getting there and will stand up in any gear without clutching. The bike is starting to fall apart though. I have one of those, ride it till it dies philosophies. When she gives out which should be soon (I have been saying this for three years now), I am going to replace it with an easier ride. Currently on my list is a TransAlp (ohh... ahhh...) or one of those new Triumph Tigers (comfort bike with a wicked engine). I certainly want comfort in my next bike... I am all rocketed out. Also like riding dirt/gravel roads which gets squirley on my Katana. I do it, but I have come real close a couple times over the last few years.

sounds like you need a dual sport! my cbr was quite scary on a gravel road.tried to stay far away from one. ive never heard of a transalp who makes those? i may buy a ducati next if i find a good deal on one,or i may go back to ole faithful a honda cbr. Im not sure if im the only one who thinks this but my rocket was much more comfortable ride then my harley.

I used to have a KLR until I drove its wheels off so I am very at home on a dual sport. The Honda TransAlp is a great dual sport built on old technology. It has been around for a very long time and few changes have been made to it. They last forever and are very easy to service. Its twin so to speak is the Aftrican Twin which is known as one of the toughest bikes on the planet. This bike is considered one of the all time greatest bikes at least in europe. I plan on a cross country trip in a couple years and want something easy to work on, easy on the back/knees and something that just cruises along. This thing fits the bill nicely.

The Tiger is a psuedo dual sport and the new one has the Daytona engine in it. It is a very mean bike and with its tall upright seating you can throw this thing into corners hard. On really sharp stuff, I could leave sport bike riders on my KLR and that thing only had about 30hp. You just have gobs of clearance and the bikes can be shoved into corners unlike a street bike. They are also VERY forgiving when it comes to bad roads. They don't have the entrance and exit velocity of sport bikes obviously, but in a nasty twistie don't be suprised when one passes you and makes it look easy.

Looks like a good topic. I have been riding since Christmas and I got a 2006 CRF250X its awsome!! Im getting pretty good but I don't want ot get over confident!

Hard to get too overconfident on a dirtbike... there is always some drop off or hill that can bring you down to earth. Plus the bikes are so much more capable than most riders. Few people are rarely more confident than the bikes ability to tackle a nasty piece of dirt. My last great dirtbike trip was out to Moab in Utah and there were some humbling experiences and I don't scare easily.

Awesome bike BTW. I rode one a couple years back and other than being cramped (I am a big guy... tall and wide) this thing kicked serious ***. I was a die hard XR400 man, but I would certainly switch to one of these if they had made it bigger. The 450 is just too much bike. My friend has one and as much as I hate to admit it, I would have to throttle that bike down for some of the riding I did.

BTW, my old dirtbike

http://www.cameroncole.com/xr400.htm

and my current kat

http://www.cameroncole.com/katana.htm

and my utah vacation

http://www.cameroncole.com/vacutah.htm

yeah Its my first bike but my dad bought it for himself and got me a CRF230F but he found out that he cannot get his leg over it because he has a bad hip so I ended up getting the CRF250X. The only place I have ridden is at durhamtown. I ride in my neighborhood all the time but I need to stop because the tires are wearing down when riding on the street to the trails. I would love to go to moab. I spent last year in Provo Utah and it was beautiful!

my dirtbikes are all broken, but my best friend has their's for sale if anyone wants one... and my dream is to one day take my jeep to moab...

My favorite rides UT aside are California, GA and TN, but for sheer riding fun it was probably the best place I have been. There were moments in Moab that changed me as a person. It is indescribable to be in a place and not see another living sole or anything that man has built.

I just went riding today and I live on lake Lanier and we found a new trail right near my house and you actually ride on the lake because it is so low. well Not on the lake but where it usually is when it is full. It was really cool because its REALLY muddy!! We got lost lol. Ill post a pic tommorow of the CRAZY rooster tail that we made!!

my dirtbikes are all broken, but my best friend has their's for sale if anyone wants one... and my dream is to one day take my jeep to moab...


you should,i took my f250 there and to the badlands two years ago,very beautiful country and awesome off roading to say the least.

Does anyone know how deep of water you cna go through with a dirtbike? And not mess it up. Also the tubes that come out of the bottom near the back tire the drain tubes I guess. When you go through water is water supposed to come out of one of those tubes to drain it? Thats what my friend said.

As long as you don't cover up the air intake your bike will keep running (usually just under the seat). I did have one stall out while I was fording a REALLY long river in TN once because the water got into the electrical, but it was an old bike. That won't happen on the newer ones. Those are likely gas overflows for when you turn the bike upside down or for whenever the carb justoverflows.

alright thats what I thought. Also I went in a really deep mud and it was really hard to go threw. The engine was reving alot. Is this bad?

Todays bikes are super tough as long as you do proper maintenance. So long as you are outside your break in period and make regular oil changes it is highly unlikely you will ever do any damage from reving the engine. Seals and valves needed to be reseated from time to time more so than usual, but otherwise hammer the hell out of it. I doubt you are really that hard on a bike. I have riden up near verticle walls in some of the most awe inspiring terrian for prolonged periods of time and I have never had a head failure. Few chain breaks and a couple times a blew a gasket, but that is about the extent of it.

Alright yeah we do regular oil changes its a pain on the CRF250X because you have to change the airfilter, oilfilter,transmission oil,engine oil. I probably don't ride it that hard but im still a beginner. How much do you think a new tire would be for the CRF250X? I was stupid when I first got it and I rode the hell out of it on the road to the trails in my neighborhood now the Nubs are worn down.

So long as you aren't going up big hills the middle part of the knobs can get really worn down. It is those side ones getting worn out that will get you into trouble. If you drift hard or go up big hills, probably best to keep a good set of tires on it.

About the maintenance. Get a K&N filter. Your bike will love you for it and you can just rinse it out rather than replace paper ones. It isn't uncommon once you start riding harder to have to clean the filter before or after every ride. I have been on rides that it was required to clean it out during rides. Down side of this bike compared to an XR... XRs were tanks that required very little maintenance to keep running. On the XR you had to change the oil every 1000 or so miles, new oil filter once a year was more than enough.

This is THE place to go for cheap tires and he will put them on for you.

http://www.kensmotorcycletires.net/

Call them since the website is kinda crappy.

Thanks man! I give it a try!

Here are some pics of me today ripping up lake lanier! Yea I got stuck lol:doh:

I dont have to replace the Air filter everytime I just have to clean it with this weird stuff and then put other stuff on it and then seal it. Its a pain. And I have to let it dry. I have been recommended this filter before. At the honda dealer they also said it was much easier to clean and maintain. Let me know what you think of the pics

I am envious for sure. I could spend days on end doing that... and have.

Just noticed in the pics you have the wrong tires for that kind of riding. You could go with:

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/item.aspx?style=4317&department=647&Division=6

but I would recommend a more standard 4 stroke tire

http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/item.aspx?style=4351&department=647&Division=6

Also lower your tire pressure a bit... will give you a bit more surface area to ride on through the mud.

Thanks for the tips man. But i usually do traail riding but this was just haivng fun so I don't think I need mud boggers.

I wouldn't go with a mud tire either, but a four stroke tire would be a better all around tire for trail riding. The tire you have on now is built for track riding.

Wow Im in luck I thought tires were like $150.00. Do those tires come with the tube and the rim like it shows? Would I need a new tube? and new rims?

Same rims and tubes (although I would keep a couple extra tubes on hand since you will go flat eventually). You just need new tires. If you do it yourself, it will take a while the first time. After a few tire changes, you will be able to do a full change pretty quick. Just make sure you have a motorcyle tire iron... you can get by without but it sucks.

Oh and I uaually put slime in the tires at some point.

Isn't it really hard to change the back tire because of brake and the chain drive and stuff. Why do you put slime in them? How much is it to have a dealer do it do you think?

Most dealers suck and charge way too much. If you can get to Kens he will do it pretty cheap. Probably ten bucks.

Slim seals any punctures in the tire almost immediately. Any one who does long distance trail rides uses it. Any time I used to do week long rides I dosed up on it since it can be a huge time saver. Also, had I had slime in some relatively new tires I would still have a shoulder worth a crap. A bad timed flat tire wrecked my shoulder.

How can you tell if its a good offroad tire? Do you think dealer charge like 100 bucks or something?

what kind of K&N filter should I get from motorcycle superstore? Theres a couple kinds. You don't have to oil them? sorry for all the questions I'm a new rider.

If you buy the tire from them it will be way over $100 probably (for tire and installation). If they put it on it will probably be about $30 a tire I would guess. A lot of places won't put on a tire that you bought somewhere else though.

You can put it on though. It is easy and a good thing to learn. If you are ever out in the middle of the woods and get a flat, you will be glad you learned.

No prob on the questions.

There are three basic types of tire. Hard pack, intermediate and soft pack. Hard pack is mainly for tracks, roads and such. Fine if you are jumping a lot, but not as good for trail riding. Soft pack is good if you like to drift or you get into softer material such as mud or sand. Intermediate is the best for trail riding. It doesn't bog down in mud easily, it climbs better than either of the other two and will last a good long time. Most trail riders buy what is called a 4 stroke tire which is meant to bump around on trails. It is a good intermediate tire.

Go here for the filter you are supposed to use: http://knfilters.com/search/appsearch.aspx

You will oil it similar to your foam filter now, but it will wash out easier and you just spray it with some spray before you through it back on there.

so you have to oil it and spray it? but you can wash it in water. If I replaced my rear tire would I have to replace my front as well if I buy a different tire than the front. It would seem really hard to change the rear tire. I have no clue how to but ill look it the owners manuel. I have to ride on the road to get to the trails in my neighborhood would the four stroke still be good for this?

Four stroke intermediate tire is well suited for roads. It is a harder compound tire with an average number of knobs. For your kind of riding, it is probably the best you will find.

No oil on the filter. You just take it out, hit it with the garden hose, let it dry and spray it with the K&N spray. I didn't spray mine each time either.

Tight man Im definatly gettin one. Do you think it will fit my bike? Thanks for the great tips!

The airfilter link you gave me is for the oil filter. I ment the air filter.

Youch they don't show an air filter on their site, but I know they will likely make one for that bike. You will need to give them a call. You could also give a call up to Marietta Motorsports.

You will have to check your tire size on your bike and match it to the correct tire. If the 4 Stroke tire doesn't work this tire is just as good http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/item.aspx?style=18366&department=647&division=6 and it is a bit cheaper. I ran the 752 Dunlops for years and never had a complaint.

Thanks man

No dirtbikes but I ride a streetbike daily. 2003 ZX636R

i ride dirtbikes alot

Nice..... I saw the nicest street bike at Gainsville powersports it is I think a honda but the front of it looks like it is going to bite you. its awsome. Like a yellow Jacket. Ill try to find a pic.

You all are making me nostalgic for those pre-baby days! I used to race an RM 250 in Michigan (hare scrambles and ironman races) when I was just out of college.

But I also had street bikes. Vintage Japanese, and new Italian Sport (Guzzi)

Sold my last bike--a home-built street tracker--to finance my aquarium...

I used to sell motorcycles in Ann Arbor and a large part of my clientelle were guys whose kids had finally gone off to college. I always swore I'd never be one of those guys, but now I'd rather be one than to never ride again!

I used to sell motorcycles in Ann Arbor and a large part of my clientelle were guys whose kids had finally gone off to college. I always swore I'd never be one of those guys, but now I'd rather be one than to never ride again!If you love to ride, ride but for my sake don't ride to wear leather chaps or a HD jacket. Ohh and don't do this (this was at deals gap):

http://www.cameroncole.com/digital/hd1.jpg

http://www.cameroncole.com/digital/hd2.jpg

http://www.cameroncole.com/digital/hd3.jpg

Can anyone spot what he did wrong to wreck?

Took his hand off the left handle bar.

Im not sure but the "Im to cool" hand motion and the tanktop was enough for me.I bet the tank top was ground into his skin for quite awhile.OUCH i cant even imagine.I know how bad it hurts to fall in the dirt,but not on the asphalt with a harley road king coming down on you.

Yeah that had to hurt. He is an idiot not to wear leather but let alone a tank top. I bet there still pulling pieces of gravel out of him.

Certainly the, I'm too cool for school started it. However if you look in the second picture, the front wheel is at a dead stop. He grabbed his front brake coming into the turn. My guess is he was looking at the camera, was on a bad line, started to scrap his carriage saw the next curve and like an idiot hit the brakes... the wrong brakes.

Down he went. That is my theory.

My dad has a 2003 Yamaha FZ1 and a Honda VTX 1800, I love street bikes and one day hop to own one.

I've done that before on my dirtbike but I'm still learning. I bet he's been riding for alot longer than me so thats a stupid mistake by him. However on a dirtbike when you hit the front brake when you are turning then the front tire slipps out from underneath you. I have had my share of fall overs and stuff like that but nothing real bad. I was at durhamtown and the ground was VERY slippery in one spot and It slid out from me. In my opinion dirtbikes are harder to control and the terrian changes alot more. Not to say Street Bikes are hard to drive and manuver.

I remember taking my first ride on a my RM250 in front of the whole bike shop, including a bunch of seasoned MX riders and old school flat trackers. I had never been on a dirt bike before and I grabbed too much front break in the gravel behind the shop and, to everyone's enjoyment, went down hard in front of all... Suffice it to say that lesson was imprinted hard on my psyche (though that's not to say I never crashed a dirtbike again!)

One thing I can say for certain--riding a dirt bike has made me a vastly more competent street rider.

I was at durhamtown and the ground was VERY slippery in one spot and It slid out from me. In my opinion dirtbikes are harder to control and the terrian changes alot more. Not to say Street Bikes are hard to drive and manuver.They are different. Dirtbikes do slide around more, but I would argue you have more control over a dirtbike. Point the front wheel where you want to go and hit the gas. You will eventually get there. You can shift weight front back, stand up to shift weight up and down. You can hang the rear brake locking the tire then shove the tire where you want it. You have a much better built suspension and a greater ground clearance. You can track a corner or just slide around. Contrast to a crotch rocket. You have the line, lean and for that exta 5% you can hang off... that is pretty much it. There is only one right way to hit a corner. There are several acceptable way usually, but you are very limited on traditional street bike. Street riding is about precision... not loading your front suspension in a corner, coming into the corner at the right speed, getting off the corner at the right time and choosing the line. Screw up in there and you are planted... gravel in the road... planted. A dirt bike is very forgiving by comparison.

Absolutely dirt bike riding in general makes you a better street bike rider. Dirt teaches you control of the machine and allows you to push your limits more. This usually translates well to street. Street riders have a much harder time adjusting that dirt riders. All a dirt rider has to learn is to keep the feet on the pegs and if you were trained by me you keep your feet on the pegs when dirt riding as well.

Well said Cameron. I do agree that you can manuver and shift weight more on a dirtbike. On a street bike you can't turn very well either. The front tire will only turn so far. However I do think there are alot more obsticles when dirt riding then street riding. When riding through the woods you have to find where your going to go and get there safely. Eventually I would like to ride street bikes but not until I am away from home. Mom DEFINATLY wont let me.

However I do think there are alot more obsticles when dirt riding then street riding. When riding through the woods you have to find where your going to go and get there safely. Eventually I would like to ride street bikes but not until I am away from home. Mom DEFINATLY wont let me.This used to be true... then everyone got a cellphone and at least in Alpharetta the road work is never done. I will say my heart races more riding on the road than it ever did on a dirtbike and I have been in more than my fair share of precarious positions on a dirt bike... including several I literally didn't walk away from.

On a dirt bike, I can save my own *** since 99.999% of the stuff you pass is stationary. On the road, you got a lot of moving vehicles and a lot don't recognize you as a threat... and will pull right in your path.

I would also add a fast dirbike does about 90mph and I have a ticket (and some jail time) for 120mph on highway 92 (45mph). Things come at you slower on a dirtbike... a lot slower.

That is true I forgot to mention that. But in my opinion there are More things you have to look for. Like Changing terrain, Pot holes, Trees, Rocks, Other Riders, ECT. I also think .. I think alot. But I also think that Dirtbikes are alot more tempting to do stupid things on. Like say for instence. I tried going up this hill at least 6 times and everytime I fell and rolled down the hill. I am going to try again sometime lol. But maybe that is just me being stupid.

I can tell you from almost 30 years of riding (25 years on the dirt and 15 on the street), you have more to deal with on a street bike. It may not seem like it as there is a lot to dirtbike riding in various terrains, but go through a busy intersection in ATL and you will feel the hair on the back of your neck stand up. Dirtbikes are just more forgiving. On a bike generally speaking you are the biggest thing out there... on a streetbike you are an ant amoung giants. The first time you are parked between hummers you will know what I am talking about.

You can be stupid on any motorcycle... I know I have been stupid on both. Ask both my knees, right shoulder, skull and a few ribs... they will attest to which is more difficult and far less forgiving. They both are very challenging... just one has multi-ton objects hurling at you and the other doesn't. Trust me... I have hit a tree (and a barbed wire fence and two other motorcyclist and even a cow just to name a few) on a dirtbilke, but they don't compare to a old Ford truck a streetbike. I walked away from one and got carried away from another. That tree didn't jump out in front of me either. Now riding a dirtbike is a lot more work for sure, but just like a street bike once you learn how to do it the next time is easier until you have it down.

Ultimately I would describe dirtbikes as mastering yourself on the bike. Street bikes are similar and I would agree not as difficult to master in this regard, but ultimately more difficult because you have to master what others are doing in a shared environment. The environment is inherently more chaotic, ever changing and far more deadly. It is both exciting and scary. If you don't feel that way while your on the street, you are probably the next statistic which currently is about 4000 people dead in the states each year.

Man I can never beat you in an arguement... Lol. Well I must say.. I've never riden a street bike so I can't really say. Also I havent been riding that long to really have very many good stories ( Hitting a cow) LOL OMG LOL.. Sorry lol. One thing I know is that on a dirtbike you fall alot more. Well I have. The falls are ALOT more forgiving on a dirtbike thats for sure. I have probably fell like 25 - 30 times but almost all of them have been when I'm not going or when I'm going like 5mph. On a street bike even going like 5 mph can hurt. Let alone just sitting there. Street bikes also weigh ALOT more than a dirtbike.

hey you guys i ride dirt bikes it is alot of fun and i am trying to find new places i just ride in my back yard right now i have about 50 achres back there and it is starting to get boring so help me find new placs

I hear Hong Kong has some good places........

that was mean man ... not cool

I hear Hong Kong has some good places........

:lol2: haha... im sorry but i couldnt help but laugh when i read that :lol2:

Man I can never beat you in an arguement... Lol. Well I must say.. I've never riden a street bike so I can't really say.

Sure you can, but it won't be easy in this department. Aquarium stuff is new to me, but bikes are old hat.

Also I havent been riding that long to really have very many good stories ( Hitting a cow) LOL OMG LOL.. Sorry lol.The best ones come from when you first start and you are learning your boundries. As you get older, you loose a lot of your "braveness". The sad thing about the cow incident is when I hit it, my friends fell down laughing... after they realized I was hurt and the cow was fine... they helped, but kept laughing the entire time.


One thing I know is that on a dirtbike you fall alot more. Well I have. The falls are ALOT more forgiving on a dirtbike thats for sure. I have probably fell like 25 - 30 times but almost all of them have been when I'm not going or when I'm going like 5mph.The main reason I would argue dirt isn't as difficult is because of this. You can be sloppy, you can make mistakes. Mistakes on a street bike can get you killed.

As for falling down... I teach people I know three fundamentals. First, Your body is more important than the bike... don't go down with it. Second, don't put your feet down. Sure it looks cool and it might when you are really good help you turn better, but usually you will jam your knee or trip over your own foot. Finally, speed is your friend. When in doubt punch it. Brakes will put you on your *** fast and driving slow destabilizes the bike. The faster you go the more upright the bike will want to stay.

Try Whisssenhunt
http://www.georgiaoffroad.com/facility.php?facilityid=69

or one of my favorites Rock Creek
http://www.georgiaoffroad.com/facility.php?facilityid=61

Ha the cow story still gets me lol. Im sorry but if I was one of your friends at the time I would have been laughing the whole time also. How fast were you going? hahah lol.

I use to ride. I have retired for a few years, College is expensive!!! Is anyone going to the supercross? It will be the last time you get to see Carmicheal race?
Trey

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s177/mxrider42/Trey.jpg

They are different. Dirtbikes do slide around more, but I would argue you have more control over a dirtbike. Point the front wheel where you want to go and hit the gas. You will eventually get there. You can shift weight front back, stand up to shift weight up and down. You can hang the rear brake locking the tire then shove the tire where you want it. You have a much better built suspension and a greater ground clearance. You can track a corner or just slide around. Contrast to a crotch rocket. You have the line, lean and for that exta 5% you can hang off... that is pretty much it. There is only one right way to hit a corner. There are several acceptable way usually, but you are very limited on traditional street bike. Street riding is about precision... not loading your front suspension in a corner, coming into the corner at the right speed, getting off the corner at the right time and choosing the line. Screw up in there and you are planted... gravel in the road... planted. A dirt bike is very forgiving by comparison.

Absolutely dirt bike riding in general makes you a better street bike rider. Dirt teaches you control of the machine and allows you to push your limits more. This usually translates well to street. Street riders have a much harder time adjusting that dirt riders. All a dirt rider has to learn is to keep the feet on the pegs and if you were trained by me you keep your feet on the pegs when dirt riding as well.

First off, hello to everyone, I am new here.

You summed up the difference pretty well. I have been riding dirt bikes for years (track and trail), but I am new to street bikes. I feel a lot more confident and stable on the dirtbike, no matter what the obstacle was I could always read what the dirtbike was going to do. The street bike always feels like it is on the edge.

The street bike always feels like it is on the edge.

If you aren't living on the edge, You are taking up too much space!!!

mxrider- Nice picture. That makes my pics look like crap lol. I think I might go to the motocross. But isnt it next month?

Thanks! Just keep riding! The more you practice the better of you will be. Just don't get to cocky. Right about the time you think you are getting good, the bike will reach up and smack you. Also it is not if you will get hurt but when you will get hurt.

FEB 24!! Just to say that last year I sat in the top section and actually liked it better than sitting in the bottom. The $10 tickets are cheap and you can see eveything.

FEB 24!! Just to say that last year I sat in the top section and actually liked it better than sitting in the bottom. The $10 tickets are cheap and you can see eveything.

I cant wait for the race this year. I am glad Carmichael is going to be there.

Here is a pic from Bremen:

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a309/dross313/post2.jpg

you guys are talking about the super bowl of motor sports right? with the monster trucks and everything too? i want to go sooo bad... my dad used to take me every year when they had robosaurus or whatever his name was

Nah, you missed the monster trucks, it was a couple of weekends ago. We are talking about the AMA Supercross race.

I herd the Monster trucks was awsome though. My friends went.

Ha the cow story still gets me lol. Im sorry but if I was one of your friends at the time I would have been laughing the whole time also. How fast were you going? hahah lol.We were riding in a field and I was flying around a corner that dropped slightly over a hill. I was tracking way off the trail pretty much going sideways, when the rear wheel finally caught and started to drive me forward over the hill... boom... cow. I ended up clipping his rear and it spun me a full 360 degrees around. The cow moo'd and walked away. I ripped a huge gash in my metal gas tank and took a hard shot in the nuts from the handlebar. When I landed, I twisted my left knee and cracked a rib. My friends saw the entire thing and they swear time slowed and it was all in slow motion. I was probably doing 40mph or so on a KDX 175.

Dumbest ever involves, wet toilet tissue, doubled up on a small Suzuki FA50 moped, hill, 28 degrees in the middle of the night and a chase. Good Times.

Also it is not if you will get hurt but when you will get hurt.That is experience talking.

Anyone ever seen Seth the Hard Way. Last motorcycle video I ever saw. That dude is seriously twisted.

Yeha i've herd that saying before. Ill tell some stories when I get some lol. Never seen that movie.

You need to see it. He jumps a house... and overshoots the ramp. I won't ruin the end, but it is pretty bad. I will see if I can dig the DVD up for you and drag it along to an upcoming meeting.

yeah i thought i had missed it... oh well... and your cow story reminded me of the time i was helpin my friend put the cows up for the night at his mother in laws... we were on quads though and he was hearding them... and one decided it was going to get out of his way and he hit it head on a flew over it... it was hilarious... that was a good day.. until we got too class to a calf and the mom almost kicked us in the head, and then i ripped the bottom of my foot open on a rock... never ride barefoot...

It would hurt to ride barefoot on a bike. The pegs are like spikes. Ill watch out for the cows though. LOL. Cameron that would be really cool if you could find that DVD i'd love to see it! When it comes time to change my back tire on my Dirtbike... do you think you could give me some tips or anything because my dad and I will have no clue what to do lol. I know you need a tire Iron thing. Thanks!

Seth has 2 movies out. I have them on VHS. I seen Seth down in Milton, FL, at West Floridda Motocross Park. He was supposed to jump a 175 jump. They built the jump just for him. But fell and hurt his knee on a jump the freestyle exhibitors had put up. He decided not to jump the big one. So some local guy comes out of no where during intermission and jumped it. It was awesome.

The best motocross movies are any of the "Terrafirma"s by Fox and any of "The Great Outdoors" series.

Cameron is this the Airfilter you were talking about that would be good for my bike that you just have to spray with a hose? http://afterburnermx.com/itemdetails.cfm?catalogId=47&id=2125

Cameron is this the Airfilter you were talking about that would be good for my bike that you just have to spray with a hose? http://afterburnermx.com/itemdetails.cfm?catalogId=47&id=2125 Yes. You may have to adjust your carb after you install it because these things breathe better.

I love the Terrafirma and the Crusty series. I haven't seen Seth's second video... is it as crazy as the first? When he jumped his bike and launched it into all the MX superstars bikes smashing some of them up... that was just plain stupid.

As for changing a tire... try this link

http://www.off-road.com/dirtbike/tech/tirechange/

Can I just spray it with a hose and pop it back in. The stock one I have now is a pain to clean.

Can I just spray it with a hose and pop it back in. The stock one I have now is a pain to clean.According to the directions, no. You are supposed to spray it out and then use their spray then pop it back in. Personally, I sprayed mine with their stuff every few rides but washed them in between. Either way, it is MUCH easier to clean than a sponge or paper filter. You spray it out on the ground, pick it up, hit it with the hair spray like stuff they sell and pop it back in.

do you think it is worth the money?

do you think it is worth the money?Oh yeah. I have a K&N on everything I own including my GTO.

Cameron is this the Airfilter you were talking about that would be good for my bike that you just have to spray with a hose? http://afterburnermx.com/itemdetails.cfm?catalogId=47&id=2125


Please do not take offense to this cameron, but here is my advice. I would not run that filter on my dirtbike--street yes, dirt no. Nothing is better than a foam style filter for the dirt. Do not spray more oil on the filter between rides (without cleaning it first). All you are doing is further embedding the dirt into the filter, and too much air filter oil is a bad thing. It will lead to fouled plugs (trust me on this one) and incorrect jetting, plus a lot of headaches trying to figure it out. The worst feeling in the world is coming up to a jump and your bike bogs...not fun. If cleaning is a pain for you, use NO-TOIL filters and oils. They use a oil that is biodegradable once you spray them with an activator===easy to clean with water. Their site is www.notoil.com (http://www.notoil.com)

As for changing the tires on your bike it is a PITA! The rear is not as bad as the front since the sidewall is taller, but it is still not fun. I almost always would pinch a tube in the process and have to do it several times. You will need tire spoons or levers (same thing) and be prepared to scrape up some knuckles.

Well I think alot of people could argue about what they think is the best air filter. I was recommended the K&N air filter by the people where I bought the bike from. It is called Southern Honda Powersports. I'm sure you guys know about them. Anyways the guy there also said that cleaning the stock airfilter is a pain in the butt so he recommended it. Anyways I'll probably get some more opinions on this before I buy. In my opinion it is really expensive just for a filter ........ But if it really is much easier and better than I don't mind paying that much.

Please do not take offense to this cameron, but here is my advice.I won't take offense to being called wrong or incorrect. I only get pissed when it is personal or physical.

I would not run that filter on my dirtbike--street yes, dirt no. Nothing is better than a foam style filter for the dirt.Depends on your application. If you are doing a lot of track riding or riding out in the desert, tear offs or no toil is probably best. They can clog up but air can still get through. If you are riding out in the middle of nowhere, take a filter that you can rinse out with your water bottle. K&Ns give better air flow and are easier to clean any day of the week. They also last probably the life of his bike given how much he probably rides. If you are racing with everyone kicking up a ton of dust and can't stop when you feel the performance start to fall off, no toil and I would argue tear offs are best. However if you are riding to ride, it is hard to beat a high performance easy cleaning filter. In all my years of riding, I have never had a motorcycle bog suddenly from the air filter clogging up. There is usually a substantial amount of time before that happens of reduced performance... the bike just doesn't pull as hard. Keep in mind he is not riding a two stroke which is more rev oriented. The boy has a 4 stroke torque machine.

Do not spray more oil on the filter between rides (without cleaning it first). All you are doing is further embedding the dirt into the filter, and too much air filter oil is a bad thing. It will lead to fouled plugs (trust me on this one) and incorrect jetting, plus a lot of headaches trying to figure it out. The worst feeling in the world is coming up to a jump and your bike bogs...not fun.This is a sponge filter thing. K&Ns (assuming you use there or similar oil) wash from the inside out so dirt poors out of them as soon as you hit the backside with water. Their oil breaks down quickly as they rely on a microporess membrane for dirt capture unlike a sponge filter.

As for changing the tires on your bike it is a PITA! The rear is not as bad as the front since the sidewall is taller, but it is still not fun. I almost always would pinch a tube in the process and have to do it several times. You will need tire spoons or levers (same thing) and be prepared to scrape up some knuckles.I strongly urge anyone riding that ever rides off track to learn to change their own tire at home. Nobody wants to push a bike 4-5 miles back to the house or road and load it up. If you ride track or close to home fine, but if you ride out in the middle of nowhere on an ORV trail learn to change your tire, run with slime or pray you don't get a flat.

I agree with flow350 on the airfilter. The sponge filters are what I used. The airfilter is something that needs to be maintained alot. If not it will lead to many problems. They also make a disposable sponge filter that is preoiled. All you do is throw the old one away and put a new one in. A good way to see if a product is any good is to see if any professional race teams use the product. I rode alot with Ezra and Shane Lusk they always used sponge filters. The pros use the best. I am not saying the K&N will not work, but every one that I know has used sponge filters. Just my 2 cents.
Trey

All you do is throw the old one away and put a new one in. A good way to see if a product is any good is to see if any professional race teams use the product. I rode alot with Ezra and Shane Lusk they always used sponge filters. The pros use the best. I am not saying the K&N will not work, but every one that I know has used sponge filters.Again this gets back to the type of riding you do. Most pros use a high end sponge with tear offs these days because they are riding in a virtual dust storm and can't stop to deal with a clogged filter. Just because the pros use it does not mean it is right for the guy trail riding. K&N have a reputation for some of the best filters made in the world. If you track ride, that is one thing. However if you ride with me on a 20 mile trail through a few creeks and mud, you will likely wish you had something other than a sponge filter which performs poorly when wet.

I won't take offense to being called wrong or incorrect. I only get pissed when it is personal or physical.

I am not saying you are right or wrong...just giving my advice. The K&N filters work, I just do not think they work as well as a foam filter for off-road.

Depends on your application. If you are doing a lot of track riding or riding out in the desert, tear offs or no toil is probably best. They can clog up but air can still get through. If you are riding out in the middle of nowhere, take a filter that you can rinse out with your water bottle. K&Ns give better air flow and are easier to clean any day of the week.

If you are riding in conditions that would warrant a filter clean/change during the ride, then you have a very very large gas tank. I have never been on a ride that 'clogged' the filter during the ride. If you plan on a ride that would require the filter to be cleaned, bring another one that is ready to be put on the bike.


In all my years of riding, I have never had a motorcycle bog suddenly from the air filter clogging up. There is usually a substantial amount of time before that happens of reduced performance... the bike just doesn't pull as hard. Keep in mind he is not riding a two stroke which is more rev oriented. The boy has a 4 stroke torque machine.

I do have more experience with 2-strokes, but I was referring to over oiling the filter which led to the plug fouling and the bike bogging. I had a horrible idling problem which was traced back to over-oiling the filter.

This is a sponge filter thing. K&Ns (assuming you use their or similar oil) wash from the inside out so dirt poors out of them as soon as you hit the backside with water. Their oil breaks down quickly as they rely on a microporess membrane for dirt capture unlike a sponge filter.

Both types of filters rely on the oil in the filter to capture the dirt. Of course the filter material is going to aid in trapping dirt as well, but ultimately it is the oil that is doing the work. You clean a foam filter in the same manner, from the inside out--and the no-toils are extremely easy to clean once you have used the 'activator' to break the oil down. Now I do not have a K&N on my bike, but I do have one on my car. Unless the bike filters are different from their automotive ones, you have to spray the filter with a catalyst to break down the oil before it can be rinsed out with water. I can only hope that the bike filters follow the same procedure.

I see your point. I have done a few trail rides but mostly track riding.

The most important thing about filters is to clean them often. Doesn't matter which one you have you just have to keep it clean.

Trey

Now Cameron is right. I am not going to be doing MX where theres dust everywhere. Ill be riding through the woods with leaves and mostly wet dirt. You got to remember that I have the CRF250X which is a trail bike. Unlike the CRF250R which is mainly for MX. I understand both opinions and I don't think there will be any mutual agreement. What I need to do is get some more opinions from other people and then make my decision. Cameron - I think we should go trail riding sometime.....

I am not saying you are right or wrong...just giving my advice. The K&N filters work, I just do not think they work as well as a foam filter for off-road.I know. I was just letting you know that you can disagree with me all day and I won't take offense.

If you are riding in conditions that would warrant a filter clean/change during the ride, then you have a very very large gas tank.Not really. My XR (that did have a medium tank) could get nearly 100 and I have been in some places that did require a filter change on a ride. Utah Moab springs to mind. They have a dust out there that makes sand look like huge clumps of mud.

I do have more experience with 2-strokes, but I was referring to over oiling the filter which led to the plug fouling and the bike bogging. I had a horrible idling problem which was traced back to over-oiling the filter.Not a problem with a K&N so much as over oiling just makes the filter clog faster which in turn makes you clean it more often.

Both types of filters rely on the oil in the filter to capture the dirt. Of course the filter material is going to aid in trapping dirt as well, but ultimately it is the oil that is doing the work.This is certainly true of sponge and mostly true with K&N, but the reason the clog is because they use a cotten barrier which doesn't allow for large particle penetration. I am not saying don't run with oil, but in a pinch you can just rinse it out and keep going. Think of a K&N like a coffee filter. The clogging generally occurs on the surface. It is possible to clog the inside layers of K&N which would require de-oiling the filter, but not in an afternoons trail ride/

You clean a foam filter in the same manner, from the inside out--and the no-toils are extremely easy to clean once you have used the 'activator' to break the oil down.I have used both and I can tell you a K&N is the easiest, less messy to clean. Dirt gets deep inside the sponge filter and cakes to the outside of a K&N. This caking is the K&Ns big draw back, but I am guessing you don't do the kind of riding necessary to cause this problem.

If sponge filters were as easy to clean, offered equal or better performance and didn't clog, they would be without a doubt the only filter to use in every scenario. The reason racers don't like them is they can fully clog in a dust storm and that can lose them a race where a sponge can never full clog. Outside that, K&N are better in virtually every other category. Last longer, provide better protection, clean easier.

Where does everybody ride or race at? And when is the next race?

What I need to do is get some more opinions from other people and then make my decision.I agree. Check out a few thumper forums and see what they use. Racers and track riders love NoToil because it is a great product for that environment. I am from a different crowd. I have been on several week long rides with fuel drops so I may not be the best person to ask either.

I think we should go trail riding sometime.....I am too old and fat for dirt riding. I let myself go several years ago and I am only now getting back to where I can haul my rear around. I doubt I could keep up. Besides you guys ride these new-fangled bikes that use these thumb things to start them... I doubt I could even figure out how to start one anymore.

Where does everybody ride or race at? And when is the next race?I ride in Dahlonega mostly... but that is street riding. I haven't been in a race (legal anyway) in almost 20 years and then it was flat tracking.

I don't race.... I just got mine so I haven't really gone to many places because they are closed for the winter. The only place I've gone it Durhamtown. This is a awsome place. It has 8,000 acres. They have a small MX track as well as a HUGE one. They also have a drag strip and a lot of trails. I would recommend this place but definatly not in the summer especially on a weekend. I've herd that 8 people have died there because it gets so busy.

I doubt I could keep up. Besides you guys ride these new-fangled bikes that use these thumb things to start them... I doubt I could even figure out how to start one anymore.

When I made the switch from two strokes to four it took a while to get the hang of starting it. Starting a four stroke is an art form. I bet I fouled 4 or 5 plugs just learning how to start it.

I agree. Check out a few thumper forums and see what they use. Racers and track riders love NoToil because it is a great product for that environment. I am from a different crowd. I have been on several week long rides with fuel drops so I may not be the best person to ask either.

I am too old and fat for dirt riding. I let myself go several years ago and I am only now getting back to where I can haul my rear around. I doubt I could keep up. Besides you guys ride these new-fangled bikes that use these thumb things to start them... I doubt I could even figure out how to start one anymore.

Aw well get up and do some jumping jacks lol. :lol2: JK. But you see my bike has both an electric start and a kick. But I do always use the electric. But when I first got the bike I could't get it started and the battery died so I used the kick start. Its nice to have both. I bet you, you could keep up. Im still a beginner and I am pretty cautious .....lol...... Maybe sometime you could help me learn to change a tire? But this is of course only if you want to.

The trick involves a rope and a car. Tie one end to the car and hold onto the other... pop the clutch... works almost every time. New fours aren't as bad as the old ones. Most people I know couldn't start an imporperly tuned XR400 and these are some very experienced riders.

I loved Durhamtown. My friends helped break in the MX track while I rode the trails all day. I don't know if it is still there, but where you ride by the small lake there is that turn off that is a straight away with the humps. I would hit that in 5th all the way... I loved that stretch.

I ride in Dahlonega mostly... but that is street riding. I haven't been in a race (legal anyway) in almost 20 years and then it was flat tracking.

What kind of bike do you have? I have been looking into supermoto. I really like the idea of a street legal dirtbike.

The trick involves a rope and a car. Tie one end to the car and hold onto the other... pop the clutch... works almost every time. New fours aren't as bad as the old ones. Most people I know couldn't start an imporperly tuned XR400 and these are some very experienced riders.

I have done that. I tied a rope to the ball on my truck and tried to jumpstart it. It didn't work though. I had fouled the plug so bad it wouldn't start.

Aw well get up and do some jumping jacks lol. :lol2: JK. Wish someone had told me that about five years ago. Getting out of shape was really easy. I have spent two years in the gym and on a diet... it sucks, but I can at least do 10 miles with a 35lb pack now. I am not sure I could have done that in my skinnier years.

But you see my bike has both an electric start and a kick. But I do always use the electric.I would never own a four stroke without it anymore.

I bet you, you could keep up. Im still a beginner and I am pretty cautious .....lol...... I was never really that fast (my brother holds that honor and MX guys still ride with him trying to keep up in the woods) but I can generally ride harder for significantly longer. In Utah, I rode almost 200 more miles in the same time as my friends and was constantly syphoning gas from their tanks. Course I watched Dust to Glory and that guy who did the Baja on his own is just evil.

Maybe sometime you could help me learn to change a tire? But this is of course only if you want to.Changing a tire is easier than you think it is. Wear gloves as the other guy was right you will likely bust a knuckle your first few times, but you will get it. It is easier than this salt stuff for sure.

What kind of bike do you have? I have been looking into supermoto. I really like the idea of a street legal dirtbike.I tell everyone it is a katamonster. It is a 94 katana frame with a 750 GSXR engine. Everything on it these days is screwed, glued and wired together. I want it to blow, but it just won't die.

My next bike will likely be the Suzuki VStrom. Ugly as hell, but comfy and can do long legged trips. I might get the new Tiger if my pocket book allows. I generally buy used older bikes and rag the hell out of them.

I plan on doing a Route 66 trip at some point and want something super comfortable I can work on myself.

The MX track is still there and I rode on it when I went a couple weeks ago. It was awsome! My dad and I went for a whole day and we still didn;t even go on like half of the trails its so big. Also is it bad for my CRF250X to be jumping like that?

Jump all you want. Your suspension is a floating suspension and as long as your aren't bottoming out, shouldn't need to worry.

Jump all you want. Your suspension is a floating suspension and as long as your aren't bottoming out, shouldn't need to worry.

Sweet... So really the only difference between the 250X and the 250R is Mine (250X) has a headlight? Probably some other things like maybe the skid plate and other protective things for the trail. Is that the only really difference?

Probably. I would have to look at the specs, but generally the difference are relegated to headlight, gas tank size, gear ratio and suspension. Cheaper for them to build to core bikes and just move stuff around a bit.

Check out www.georgiaoffroad.com (http://www.georgiaoffroad.com) if you do not know about it already. They have a decent forum with lots of scheduled rides and information, its pretty cool.

I have done that. I tied a rope to the ball on my truck and tried to jumpstart it. It didn't work though. I had fouled the plug so bad it wouldn't start.Won't help with a foul plug, but a fast way to start a bike is to take off the airfilter and squirt a little carb cleaner down its throat. Used that trick more than once after I let a bike sit a bit too long.

Won't help with a foul plug, but a fast way to start a bike is to take off the airfilter and squirt a little carb cleaner down its throat. Used that trick more than once after I let a bike sit a bit too long.

yea but don't use too much. you can burn a hole in the piston. I had a lawnmower that had a bad fuel pump on it so you could press the primer to keep it running we kept it running with carb cleaner halfway through a can the motor stopped running and when we tore it down there was a hole burned it the piston. We were hoping for something a little more dramatic but it just puttered out.

it's like running too much nos. the nitrous helps the gas burn, if there is no gas to burn it's going to burn or try to burn whatever is available in this case the piston.

Troy

it's like running too much nos. the nitrous helps the gas burn, if there is no gas to burn it's going to burn or try to burn whatever is available in this case the piston. This is a good point and you should always buy "Burn Through" carb cleaners. Some carb cleaners aren't designed to be lit up. Also, Lawnmower engines generally use a cast steel body and aren't designed to rev. Most dirtbikes today use hardend aluminum cyclinders and titanium intake valves. I suppose it is possible to ignite hot enough to do some damage to the cylinder head, but it would take something that ignites hotter than a standard carb cleaner to do it.

Alright here is another question. As you know I have a stock CRF250X 2006, and am wondering if it is possible to take the packing out of this muffler and if it is hard to do and if you can put it back in? Also is it bad for the bike to take this out?

And another one. lol.

I am looking at these exhaust's and am wondering what one you think is the best.

All of them can be found at www.WholesaleMx.com (http://www.WholesaleMx.com)

- FMF Powercore 4 Slip-On Exhaust $269.99
- FMF Speed Slip-On Exhaust $296.99
- White Brother's E2 Exhaust $359.99
- White Brother's XCR Slip-On Exhaust $269.99

I really am liking the White Brother's XCR Slip-On Exhaust because all you do is remove a screw and it is louder!

Thank's!

What are you trying to accomplish?

What are you trying to accomplish?

I want it to be louder and I guess more powerful or just not loose and power by doing it. I like things that are really loud. Say for instence like my neighbors boat. 30' long with two 525HP engine's with just headers lol. No mufflers. I love it!:yay: :up:

Get a new core if your bike supports it or go with a cheap slipon. Pipes are pretty overrated at this HP. If you want more power, you will need to replace the entire exhaust. A slip on can certainly open up your system, but a core will usually do the same.

Well I really don't care about gettingn power I just don't want to loose it. Do you think that White Brother's XCR will be a good one?

White Bros exhausts are considered some of the best in the industry. I don't know about your specific bike, but I have never seen a White Bros disappoint. Do keep in mind that it would be wise to rejet your bike when you get a new exhaust.

What is rejet and how much is it to do? Do you think it is worth it to do this?

Once you open up the air on your bike (air filter), improve the back pressure from your exhaust you will want to squirt more fuel in the engine. This takes about 30 minutes and is very easy. You buy a jet which is really a little tube. Pull off the bottom of your carb, swap tubes and you are off. Once you know what you are doing probably take you 5-10 minutes to do. White Bros or some other company probably sells a Jet Kit and some companies sell a pipe and jet kit together.

Is it really neccisary?

It could be depending on the pipe you get. What happens is your bike may need more gas to do keep the engine operating effeciently. The reason those pipes are loud is primarily they reduce the parts of the pipe that restrict exhaust flow coming out of the engine. In very simple terms when you open up that flow, your engine is going to want to send more exhaust down the line thus it is going to want to get more gas and air. Depending on your exhaust you could just pull out its core and stick in a different core which will make it louder and have a lessor impact on performance.

Ill talk to the people at the dealer I guess.

Your best bet is to find a forum where people have actually done this on your bike. Dealers aren't really a good place for info. I don't want to advise you improperly as I don't know your bike and changing air, gas and exhaust on a system is an art moreso than a "this is what you do" kinda thing. Too much or too little air/gas and you will bog or hit dead spots in the throttle. Open up your exhaust too much and you will stall a lot. Restrict it and you will pretty much do the same. So generally speaking when touching one of those things, you usually end up adjusting the other two.

Try this site... he did a great job on his cr250x

http://www.rickramsey.net/CRF250Xjetting.htm

Thanks Cameron! That helped alot! But also I am going to take in a print out of the White Brothers exhaust I want to the dealer and see there opinion on it.

It is always good to get as much knowledge as you can. Motorcycle shops are like fish stores. If you have a good shop with a good mechanic, you are going to be in fine shape. If you go to a shop and they just want to sell you stuff, they are just going to sell you whatever they can and maybe not what you need. I would just ask them what the main and pilot would be with a new racing exhaust. The right answer should be maybe xyz main and xyz pilot, but we need to get it in and try a few different sizes. It is possible they have done you bike before with the same setup so they know right off, but even a good mechanic is going to put what he thinks in, start it up, and check for over/under feeding the engine.

Dynojet installation kit with instructions... http://www.dynojet.com/pdf/1130.pdf

Seriously this will take just a few minutes ot install and with a kit you will be able to dial in what you think is best.


http://www.dynojet.com/pdf/1130.pdf

Thanks Ill definatly come back to this if I do it.

You should look into re-jetting even your bone stock bike. The 'X' series bikes come with a warranty form the factory whereas the 'R' series bikes do not. The engines are essentially the same, so why the warranty only on the X bikes? There are a few reasons but the main reasons are due to rev limiters and a safe (rich) tune from the factory. The intentionally jet the engines to be a bit on the rich side from the factory because it is safer for the engine, but it does not give max performance. Find a local forum www.georgiaoffroad.com (http://www.georgiaoffroad.com) and see what jetting the local guys to you are using. The factory also makes the bikes rich from the factory because they cannot possibly jet the bikes for each region the bikes are sold in.

If your bike has a warranty, you may want to check that any mods you add to your bike do not void the warranty (unless you dont care about the warranty).

BTW, you can take the baffles out of a bike easy. We always called them the core, but they are actually muffler baffles. Usually they just slide out and it will make your bike LOUD... as in wear ear plugs when riding. Course you should probably be doing that anyway. I never did and I can't hear crap now... course that might be all the car stereo systems I went through.

BTW, you can take the baffles out of a bike easy. We always called them the core, but they are actually muffler baffles. Usually they just slide out and it will make your bike LOUD... as in wear ear plugs when riding. Course you should probably be doing that anyway. I never did and I can't hear crap now... course that might be all the car stereo systems I went through.

My bike isnt loud at all right now. Do you think it is easy and to take the baffles out and will it be bad for the bike? Also can I put it back in once I take it out?

I'm not sure about the 250's, but I know the baffles in my buddies 2006 XR 650 bolt in. Go look at your current muffler and look for bolts.....

Most baffles are bolt in. Depending on the setup you may even have to repack your baffle from time to time, but I doubt it on a dirtbike. I bet three hex bolts and it pops right out and right back in.

No it won't hurt the bike, but it sure will make it loud... loud... loud.

Nice im going to do it once it cools down, I just went for a joy ride and I succesfully did a wheelie and switched to second gear and still rode it for a little bit! Im so proud lol. I hope my neighbors don't hate me for this lol. Then again everyone has a dirtbike of some sort in Dawsonville. lol

The one thing I practiced was popping a wheelie and then dropping into a hole or ditch. Master that because it is a seriously useful skill.

What? Yeah that sounds good lol. How does this help you?

A lot of times on a bike getting to just the rear wheel will save your ***. Riding through the woods and you see a giant log you can't avoid, pop a wheelie and ride over it. Giant hole in front of you... pop a wheelie and ride over it. Big ditch... wheelie. It is amazingly useful. A lot of riders hit the brakes and bite it in those situations... get good at balancing on the rear tire and you can pretty much sail over any obsticle.

Dang man thats a big log! I have gone over logs and stuff but nothing that big. I just started trying this so I am doing pretty well I guess. I just need to be able to ride them longer. I have pretty good balance and I'm in control the whole time. On my exhaust pipe I took the end of it out and there was the spark arrestor. I didn't really see anything that I can unscrew like a baffle or anything but then again it was dark lol. But I did see the tip that I can unscrew. The little black tip where the actual exhaust comes out. Can I unscrew this? I don't exactly know how to explain it. I went ot the Honda Riding School before I got my bike and thats wha tthey tought us to not exactly pop a wheelie but just give it gas before you go over the log so it lightens up the front tire.

Always remember when riding a wheelie... keep your foot on the rear brake.

On the muffler you should have a few hex bolts towards the end that should allow you to pull the baffles out. They exist on almost every dirtbike I have ever seen.

Yeah I took those out, They are on the end of it and I took the whole end of the muffler off and the spark arrestor came with it? Is that what im supposed to take out?

Yes, that is it. Remember to take it with you when you go riding though. Some places require and check for a spark arrestor---I know Durhamtown does.

Durhamtown never checked my bike last time I was there. I guess tats because it was't that loud. How do I take the Spark Arrestor out? It was covered in carbon and black exhaust stuff.

Usually you just screw the spark arrestor out. Squirt a little carb cleaner on it and it will take the gunk right off.

Cameron that will make it really loud though right? To take the spark arrestor out? Was this what you were talking about?

Spark arrestor is actually a very small screen. The big unit you have in your hand is your baffles most likely. You take that out and it will be LOUD. Basically like not having a muffler. There are probably companies that sell replacement baffles that you just screw in and they will make your bike louder without having to do any further work.

I looked in the manual and the large canister thing I took out is the Spark Aresstor, I don't know where the baffles are?

The spark arrestor is usually attached to the baffles. If you look at what you pulled out, you should see a wire mesh screen somewhere on or in it. That is the spark arrestor. Those sometimes have to be replaced. The rest of it should be your baffles. If you take some pics, I can probably help you out.

Alright ill do that tommorow.

man i love dirtbikes i rode 24/7 in high school i will try to get some pics on hear for you guys. i was ranked top 10 in the state in the 125 class but now with a wife and kid i cant race any more but my son will when he gets old enough. got to give him a few years he is 2 months old so not quite ready yet.

Aw he's ready just get a 50cc and throw on some training wheels! I think I took of the baffle yesterday but i'm not sure if it was lol. It's alot louder when your flying but not when its idle. I would post some pics but it will not let me for some reason.

With the baffles removed, it should get progressively louder as you rev the throttle. At idle it will just sound like a loud thump-thump-thump as the engine turns over. At full throttle it should actually be painful to listen to.

Yeha dude its much louder when your actually going! It's so awsome! I guess I don't need a new muffler.

Also I might add that it isnt painful for me to listen to but im sure it is for everyone else. I think Im loosing my hearing. I am around my neighbors boat ALL the time and he's got two 525HP Engines with just headers! No mufflers or exhaust pipes just straight out of the headers! That will mess up your hearing I might add. You can hear him on the other side of Lake Lanier! I love it! Oh and its a Boat not a Dirtbike lol. I forgot to mention that!

OK so I have yet another question for you guys! I was wondering if it is really worth the money to get Radiator Guards/ Braces and a Skid Plate.

YES! No question, should alreday have them. You can probably skip the skid plate if you ride only MX, but trail riding I wouldn't think about it without one.

Ah I knew you'd come around Cameron. Yea I think I already bent one of my radiators trying to go through a slippery creek. I pretty much only do trail riding so I am thinking I should get one.

First time you drive a stump or rock through your oil pan you will be wishing you spent $40 on a good skid plate. It adds weight, but most trail riders aren't worried about a 5lb plate that protects the bike from serious damage. On air cooled bikes, getting a radiator protecter is a must just about any time. Air cooled radiators are made out of very thin metal most of the time and bend very easy.

Ah but they aren't just 50 bucks anymore. I wish. This link is the one i'm looking at.http://www.crfsonly.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/26_76/products_id/1677

Oh and here are the links for the Radiator Brace and the Radiator guard. Do you think I need both? It has plastic Radiator guards right now. Also Carbon Fiber Skid Plate or Metal? I think metal because fiber will just shatter.


http://www.crfsonly.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/26_76/products_id/423
http://www.crfsonly.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/26_76/products_id/1418

Try this.. bit more than my last skid plate but isn't retarded cost wise like the $160 one you listed.

http://www.utahsportcycle.com/utahscFC.htm

and you should only need this:

http://crfsonly.com/reviews/flatland-rad-guards/flatland-rad-guards.php

I have a 2006 though

Flatland Racing has 2006 Skid Plate and Radiator Guards:

http://flatlandracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FR&Product_Code=12-24&Category_Code=Honda12-

http://flatlandracing.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=FR&Product_Code=24-17&Category_Code=Honda24-

I personally used Utah Motorsports, but Flatland is a good company as well.

That is a brace and guard all in one right?

More or less. It forms a cage around the radiator front and side. If you bite it on the side, it will have to punch through the guard before getting to the radiator. These two pictures say a lot to me:

http://crfsonly.com/reviews/flatland-rad-guards/Bike%20on%20guard%20closeup%201.jpg

http://crfsonly.com/reviews/flatland-rad-guards/Guard%20doesn%27t%20touch%20radiator.jpg

yeah thats like what almost 300 pounds on it.

So I had my first real wreck today and hopefully my last. Thank GOD I survived it. I thought I'd share what I did wrong so people can learn from me :)

and that would be... grabbed the front brake when you shouldn't have? maybe put your foot down at the wrong time? under estimated your speed? jumped and didn't know what was on the other side? let off the throttle at the wrong time?

umm the done the first one, second, third, and the last one but not the jumping one. I was riding in the grass on the side of a road going to a trail that I had seen in the car, and I was going about 55-60 based on the speed limit on the road is 55 and I was keeping up with if not passing the cars. I was getting ready to go over a drive way and apparently there was a drainage pipe underneath the driveway and it was hidden in grass and I hit one of those steel pipes. According to the guy I was next to on the road I hit it and I did about 1 1/2 flips. I landed about 50 feet from the pipe. So a bunch of people pulled over to help me and I couldn't move and one of them called 911. So a fire truck,ambulance, cop car came. Then I went to the hospital.

umm the done the first one, second, third, and the last one but not the jumping one. Not sure what you are referencing... pics somewhere?

Had a friend did the same thing only it was a manhole entrance in the middle of a field and it was about 2 feet tall covered in grass. He hit about and went 20' up in the air and the bike about 15. He was fine but sore for a month. Bike didn't make it. My big one was taking on a Ford truck at 40 without a helmet. Hit the side square. I barely survived as I catapulted up and over the truck clearing two lanes of traffic. The bike was fine short of a ton of front end damage. My right hand smashed out the headlight before I was thrown causing 40 stitches in it along with 600 more from laserations. Other than not knowing my name for a week, memory loss for about a month and permenant damage to my right knee... I was fine. Lesson... wear a **** helmet and look both ways before running a stop sign. I was your age.

Lol good advice, I am glad your ok. I was referring to I have done all of those things before that you mentioned. Hit the front brake to hard, put my foot down, ext ext. Heres my rule, well not really I just herd it somewhere No cop no stop. But I am VERY thank full for everyone who helped me out and that I am ok. I just got back from the ER about 1 hour ago and the Cat scan and X rays showed that I fractured my L1 Vertebrae. All I can say is , It hurts and always wear your gear.

Not much can help with an L1 gearwise (and please nobody chime in on back protectors... I know the science and I have seen the limited data... they aren't very effective in preventing these types of injuries). Big plus is no spinal damage. If you think you are hurting now... it will likely be A LOT worse when you wake up tomorrow even with pain pills. Good thing you didn't get a rib... those are one of the worst. To this day, I won't let anyone near my rib cage and can't stand it when my GF lays her arm across it.

Ohhh... I didn't make it out intact. I had a fairly large personality shift after that accident.

Ohhh... in the future... hit the gas and get the front wheel up. Likely you wouldn't have made it, but the wreck would have been a lot less tramatic.

Thats why I'm still up, I don't want to have to wake up tomorrow lol. You can only do so much to protect yourself and I did all of it. The rest is up to god. From what I have herd from hmmm about 10 different people it isn't "If" I get in a motorcycle wreck its "When". At the ER I must have talked to about 6 different people who own bikes and have had bad injuries as well. I am also grate full my bike is ok. Some one who I guess knew what he was doing pulled over to help and he went over to my bike and turned the fuel off and up righted it. So far according to my father the only thing he saw after a quick glance was a twisted and bent hand guard. he said it started right up. Thats a Honda for you though.

Lol that would have worked if I wasn't going 55-60. I didn't really have time to do anything but If I had, had time to gas it I would have just sped up because my bike will not do a wheelie in fourth.

Hmmm... been a while since I have sat on a bike I couldn't wheelie in every gear. That is phenominal on the bike damage. Usually when you whack something head on at that speed one or more of the following happen: levers break, front end alignment shifts, front brakes suffer catastrophe, any outside plastic gets whammied, forks bend, warps rim, takes out a few spokes, shreds tire, cracks engine mounts and pretty much anything else aluminum suffers. Hell a car hitting something like that at 5mph gets tore all to hell much less at 50+. You are very lucky.

I have a 2005 Jamis Dakar Sport. Top Speed, maybe 35 on a downhill.

great peddles.

haha...j/k.

I would love to have a dirt bike but know I would kill myself so I;ve limited myself to mt. biking.

Once its in your blood you can't stop riding no matter what. Like I said though Cameron my dad is the one that looked at it but it was only for a quick minute because he had to come back to the ER. He just had to go pick it up off the side of the road so no one stole it. Ill take a look at it tomorrow. Yes I am VERY grateful that this wasn't any worse. I thought for sure I was dead when I was flipping through the air. I am also very grateful that it happened on the side of the road and not on some trail somewhere. I definitely thought my bike was going to be more messed up but I mean it started soooo thats always good. And my dad had no trouble rolling it up the ramp into the truck. I am surprised that the front rim isn't twisted and I hope the Radiators aren't messed up. But that would give me an excuse to get radiator guards. Ill keep you posted on everything. I learned not to go fast in an area that you don't know. I have had leavers break just from a simple fall over and the thing landed on soft ground.

****, Bryan, you gotta be more careful! So how long are you going to be laid up w/ the fractured L1?

I have a 2005 Jamis Dakar Sport. Top Speed, maybe 35 on a downhill.I saw some guys in Utah that were CRAZY. There is only so much stopping power those things have and these guys were way past the limit. They flew by me going downhill like I was sitting still and trust me... I was anything but.

Ill take a look at it tomorrow.Definitely check for rim warp, frame mounts, frame cracks, frame straight, oil pan, forks to see they are straight, etc. I have never taken a spill over 20 and not had something snap on a bike much less 50+. Usually a bike will roll a good 100-200ft after a wreck that fast unless it hits something to stop it which is much worse for the bike.

Yes I am VERY grateful that this wasn't any worse. I thought for sure I was dead when I was flipping through the air.It happens. I have the "i'm so dead" moment every couple years.

I am also very grateful that it happened on the side of the road and not on some trail somewhere.You would have been fine on a trail. Adrenal will usually drag your *** up off the dirt. Six broken ribs, two dislocated fingers, major concussion, cut that was bleeding into my right eye, internal bleeding and a dislocated shoulder... got my *** up straightend the front end and rode the bike home. Was stiff but felt OK till about 20 minutes later when I was at the emergency room. That is just my story practically every friend I know that rides has a similar experience. Usually if you can walk away from it you ride out.

I definitely thought my bike was going to be more messed up but I mean it started soooo thats always good. And my dad had no trouble rolling it up the ramp into the truck.Check the frame and the front end. In fast wrecks they usually take a beating and often go unnoticed. Especially frame mounts that are easy to repair when cracked but a major PIA when they break off.

But that would give me an excuse to get radiator guards.Shouldn't need an excuse. One small get off can cause hundreds of dollars in repairs. One small rock if you don't have a bash plate. Get guards and a bash plate before you start riding again. This is the perfect time to do it.

I learned not to go fast in an area that you don't know. That will last a few weeks. **** throttle has a mind of its own.

I have had leavers break just from a simple fall over and the thing landed on soft ground.They tend to break when you least expect them and bend when you don't. I personally carry a spare at all times in my dirtbike pouch just in case.

BTW, buy a new helmet even if your current one looks fine.

Thanks for all of the advice Cameron. Bryan, I can still walk but yes this morning it hurts like crap and my neck is also stiff now. And to top it all of I have a fever. Cameron, your a beast if you walked away from that. I think I might have been able to ride home but like 20 people stopped and called 911 and I told them not to. I would like your opinion on this helmet. I have an HJC right now. Does this Carbon Fiber make it any better than any others?http://www.motosport.com/offroad/productDetail.php?prodId=329928&nav=&sMMY=

So I went and checked on my bike and, Looks perty good. The Acerbis hand guard on the right side is totally bent and twisted, it also has a aluminum bar running through it. My radiators look to be bent a little forward but not too bad. Man this is going to be expensive........

Not really. It can make them lighter, but personally I usually run with a good HJC. Cheap, can replace them often (and you should) and proven safe.

This is the one I have right now. Do you think I should get the Carbon or this one again? http://www.motosport.com/offroad/productDetail.php?prodId=456619&nav=&sMMY=

For me, I would buy the normal HJC. I used to replace my dirtbike helmets annually for safety reasons. That carbon fiber is simply trick wear. I might consider it if I was racing or doing a 4 week tour where I was wearing a helmet 4+ hours a day for weeks at a time, but otherwise the weight savings isn't worth the cost. In a street bike you can make a great arguement for spending the extra but dirt bike helmets generally get banged around a lot and a newer helmet is safer.

Alright, I just love the look of Carbon Fiber.

After you get dirt, scratches and sweat in it doesn't matter how cool it looks really. Course you can always buy a white HJC and have it airbrushed locally cheaper than the carbon fiber.

You could have it airbrushed to look like carbon fiber?

Probably not, but you can have some killer art work stamped on it.

Yeah I wouldn't know what to get though. Maybe this? That looks REALLY expensive though. http://on2wheels.us/images/10_large.jpg

Depends on who you get to work on it. Probably somebody in your school could do the work for you and I bet it would be cheap.

:lol2:Haha i would NEVER let anyone at my school do that. Hell, most of them can't even draw a circle. Plus theres only like 150 kids in my high :boo:school.

ktm 125 sx. I sold it a little while ago. had to pay for my car and the tank. Im 16.

Ktm's are really nice.

ahhh KTM... awesome bike.

Everything is expensive for them though. I wouldn't even know where to buy one, I've never seen one for sale. We bought my bike in Tennessee because there was no tax. I hope for my next bike I can get a CRF450X.

Here is the Computer. It has A LOT of features but I have NO clue how to hook it up and I am terrible at electrical and I would have to take off my existing Odometer. http://www.crfsonly.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/26_133/products_id/1837

Crfsonly.com is a AWESOME website if you have a Honda.

This is what I used and the review has some detail on how to install it:

http://www.off-road.com/dirtbike/jun2001/jun01etPanoramComp.html

Here was my install of it:

http://www.cameroncole.com/digital/moto/canon01.jpg

I really like the Vapor.

So you didn't have to take off the odometer? Also there are various mounting protectors for it, do I really need one? If I do which one? For the Vapor?

I thought I'd show some pictures that I thought were pretty cool, Here they are. Cameron LMK if you think my "riding style" and "positions" are good?

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u297/Bhart90/dirtbike3.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u297/Bhart90/dirtbike11.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u297/Bhart90/dirtbike2.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u297/Bhart90/Mestanduprideaway.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u297/Bhart90/Mybikedirty.jpg

Just thought I'd show my hand guard and another pic of me going threw Lake Lanier.

http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u297/Bhart90/dirtbike12-1.jpg
http://i171.photobucket.com/albums/u297/Bhart90/DSC_0004.jpg

I don't know if you can see it but the metal is twisted at the base of it where it attaches near the brake master cylinder.

Here are some more pictures from last weekend.:)

is your bike being eaten?lol NiCe bike though

Ahah yes it is, that is actually my friend that got my dads bike stuck. I have a CRF250X. That one is the CRF230

both are NiCe

Thought i'd bring the dirt bike conversation back to here.

i dont know how i ever missed this thread...

but this is my ride,
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d41/violator622/yfz450/yfz450017.jpg
it might not be a dirtbike... but ill put it up against anything you guys have. :D
some of the trails we ride (this is my brother... brute force 750)
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d41/violator622/yfz450/yfz450011.jpg

more of the trails.
http://i32.photobucket.com/albums/d41/violator622/yfz450/yfz450015.jpg


after reading through this thread, i gotta mention, the K&N filters will let your bike breath better, but they also let more garbage through, so it is much more important to maintain the filter, and change the oil. you can get other filters that are just like the K&N's, but they have 8 ply's, which helps alot, or just stick with the foam, there is nothing wrong with it if you maintain it

for places to ride, there are tons of tracks around there area, depending on what side of atlanta you live on, most of them will be with in 2 hours. the gaoffroad link is a good source to find places.

durhamtown is awesome. there is also many other places just like it around atlanta. if you tell me what you like to ride (tracks, trails, mud etc. i can send you in the right direction.

Wow..how did I miss this also?

I sold my bike about a year ago..YZ250, the best place I think I have ever rode was Glamis CA(family lives out there)

While we where out there, I saw this guy with a wicked Sand Buggy, Big nice engine...with gold letters on it..it spelled something like LEXUS...lol

Said he chopped one down and pulled in engine and all and mounted it on a buggy...Talk about wild..

Haha lemmie go get my neighbors CRF450R that he is selling and I'll gladly race you! He beat and I witnessed this, a Raptor 700R down at the lake on the drag strip. Have you heard of Talk and Rock? There is also apparently a place in Dahlonega that I'd like to go to but haven't.

Talking Rock is really nice. I used to ride there when they were still building the track and didn't have any good trails. They have done wonders with the place... well at least the last time I was there a couple years ago.

BTW, I wouldn't be pushing my motorcycle on that trail... and I wouldn't dare race a Raptor in the mud. On tight switch backs, any day.

My next bike (hopefully next week): http://www.webbikeworld.com/motorcycles/kawasaki-versys/pirelli-tires/

I plan on riding it along parts of the http://www.transamtrail.com/. Little worried about the exhaust though.

It wasn't that Muddy and the 450R just did a wheelie the whole way and won.

If I had $3,600 I'd buy my neighbors 06 450R.

Good deal depending on how well he took care of it.

I wasn't talking about you racing the Raptor... I was talking about me. I don't do straight lines and I don't really jump that much. I do LOVE technical riding on great trails.

Man, I'm with you Cameron, I love the hard trails. If you want Cameron, we could ride some time... Yeah he took GREAT care of it and it is in great shape. He only rode it about 10 times and you can tell he hasn't dropped it much because the crankcase isn't scratched at all.

My next bike isn't real "trail ready" it is more lazy *** ride for distance. I am sure there are some nice fire roads and such we can hit though. Nice part is I can ride it just about anywhere without having to load it up.

My next bike isn't real "trail ready" it is more lazy *** ride for distance. I am sure there are some nice fire roads and such we can hit though. Nice part is I can ride it just about anywhere without having to load it up.

My bike is pretty much a trail bike. I want to get the "street legal kit" But I KNOW I would break off the turn signals and mirrors so quickly. Yeah Little mountian has some sick trails and it is an old logging road.

Here are some more recent pics. I also have some videos on youtube if you type in CRF250X. I think all the videos on there are from Little Mountian. These pics are also from little mountain.
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/bh1234/dirtbike3.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/bh1234/lilmountainwithnick13.jpg
http://i48.photobucket.com/albums/f226/bh1234/lilmountainwithnick22.jpg

Yep, my CRF450 is a bad *** and caused me to make a trip to the Trauma center 8 months ago.

http://i34.servimg.com/u/f34/11/76/63/13/dsc03310.jpg




The 80 foot tabletop at Talking Rock did me in. Nine broken bones, a collapsed lung and a week stay in a beautiful plush room at the Atlanta Medical Trauma Center 8 months ago.

I've been trying to convince myself to get back on the bike and start riding again, but this old fart has given it up for good after 30 plus years of racing competitively.

I would highly recommend the Breman Track and DurhamTown Plantation as far as the best places to ride in the state. Breman has the most advance Motocross track for A riders and DurhamTown is awesome for beginners to expert riders. The trail area's is one of the best in the state and the tracks aren't too shabby.

Please be careful guys!!!

Enjoy it while your young and remember the No Fear Zone will Kill you when you become an OLD FART like me.

Haha lemmie go get my neighbors CRF450R that he is selling and I'll gladly race you! He beat and I witnessed this, a Raptor 700R down at the lake on the drag strip. Have you heard of Talk and Rock? There is also apparently a place in Dahlonega that I'd like to go to but haven't.

go get it!! ill race ya, basically the same engine, the bikes just have different timing (which you can fix on the quads!)

and they are a little lighter, so its a riders race. ill give the edge to the honda bike for bike. but you better be able to hold on to it, ;) my quad will eat a raptor for dinner.

Yep, my CRF450 is a bad *** and caused me to make a trip to the Trauma center 8 months ago
The 80 foot tabletop at Talking Rock did me in. Nine broken bones, a collapsed lung and a week stay in a beautiful plush room at the Atlanta Medical Trauma Center 8 months ago.

I've been trying to convince myself to get back on the bike and start riding again, but this old fart has given it up for good after 30 plus years of racing competitively.

I would highly recommend the Breman Track and DurhamTown Plantation as far as the best places to ride in the state. Breman has the most advance Motocross track for A riders and DurhamTown is awesome for beginners to expert riders. The trail area's is one of the best in the state and the tracks aren't too shabby.

Please be careful guys!!!

Enjoy it while your young and remember the No Fear Zone will Kill you when you become an OLD FART like me.

my neighbor just got a crf450 too, the weekend before christmas, and did the same thing you did, i think it was a 70ft table top though, landed on the downhill with his nose a little high and got whipped into the bowl, ended up with 3 broken ribs, a bruised lung, and one hellova concusion, he already sold his and is looking for a 2 stroke 250 now.

The powerband on the 4stokes today is incredible. I've been a 2 stroke guy for many years and the CRF450F has tremendous power. I've been following MX/SX racing since the Roger DaCosta days. Now I know why Bubba Stewart struggled when he first moved up a to the Big Boy Class. Davy Milsapps appears to be having the same issues with the 450's power.

I wish they had these bikes when I was a kid. Holly Toledo!!!

By the way, for you Dare Devils looking for challenge and lot's of power. The bike you see in this post is for sale and it's in mint condition. PM me if your interested. I'm about to post it in the Cycletrader and possibly Craigslist. I'm going to let it go cheap. Thx

Ohh boy, this is hard. What year is it? I need to talk my dad into this. Lol, now you and my neighbor are selling their 450r's. PM on the way.

By the way, for you Dare Devils looking for challenge and lot's of power. The bike you see in this post is for sale and it's in mint condition. PM me if your interested. I'm about to post it in the Cycletrader and possibly Craigslist. I'm going to let it go cheap. Thx

How much?

It's mine! ;) jk, Dad most likely wouldn't let me put I'll have to have a talk with the man.

PM received and sent back. There's lot's of goodies that come with it. Who ever serious about buying it can take a trip with me to Talking Rock and ride this bad boy before they buy it. I live 20 mins away from the talking rock track.

PM received and sent back. There's lot's of goodies that come with it. Who ever serious about buying it can take a trip with me to Talking Rock and ride this bad boy before they buy it. I live 20 mins away from the talking rock track.

I would love to, but I have only ridden a track twice and that was a year ago when I got my bike. It was at durhamtown, so I'd definately have to get used to it.

those bikes have a insane amount of torque, its very hard to transition from a 2 stroke.

I call them Tourque monsters. It was such a mistake to be behind one on the trails I was RIGHT behind him and we go around a turn and theres a straight away.... BOOM he hits the gas, and I dissapear in rocks and mud. I couldn't see anything and I am glad I had a chest protector on.

I was wondering if anyone knows how to get into woods racing. I have been told by a couple people that I should do this but I don't know how to get started.

I call them Tourque monsters. It was such a mistake to be behind one on the trails I was RIGHT behind him and we go around a turn and theres a straight away.... BOOM he hits the gas, and I dissapear in rocks and mud. I couldn't see anything and I am glad I had a chest protector on.


when you get roosted, turn you head down at your gas tank.

when you get roosted, turn you head down at your gas tank.

Yeah I do that, but then I also let off the gas and usually slow down so I don't hit a tree.;)

as for woods racing, ask around about gncc, (grand national cross country) or any hare scrambles. talk to other riders you run into, or call around to the local tracks for some help.

Alright I will do that for sure.

Hare scrambles are great and lots of fun. I have a good friend my age that races hare scrambles and loves it. He say's there all age classes.

I am going to have to look into this. Two hours of racing sounds bad ***!

hare scrambles are very fun, im going to be getting into some of the b class ones that i find locally soon, i just have to do some upgrading to my quad. i really need a set of tires that will actually grab, and some more riding gear.

Does your bike have to be modified to do hare scramblers? I mean I have Flat Land Racing radiator guards/braces and I am getting a trail tech vapor computer, and I have a stainless steel oil filter, and a wave disc brake in the back but that is it.

Does your bike have to be modified to do hare scramblers? I mean I have Flat Land Racing radiator guards/braces and I am getting a trail tech vapor computer, and I have a stainless steel oil filter, and a wave disc brake in the back but that is it.


oh no no! sorry if i gave you that impression, you can race in any form of racing with a stock bike, (although you will need number plates and numbers) i was just saying, c class would be very brutal for me, c class is usually for beginners (unless they happen to have a beginner class) and many times there will be many more mistakes made during the race, and if you have ever seen some XC racing, or some hare scrambles, you will see that the tracks can be very narrow, and if one person screws up badly, there will be a line behind them waiting, so personally id like to compete in a tougher class (im no pro or nothin, but i do allright ;) ) and would like to hop my stuff up some before i enter, some good tires, better intake, better skid plates, and graphics and number plates.