GOD BLESS AMERICA !! I've never been more proud to be American and ALIVE at this time !!
:party::party:

Although he is not who I voted for because of policy my hats off to him and I am proud to see what this country has become in a relatively short time since the days of civil rights. It is truely a great moment in history. I pray that his leadership can guide us through the hard economic times that are confronting us. He has a hard road to hoe. We are talking about Raj, right? LOL. J/K I congradulate our new president and as a patriot will stand behind him even though I apposed him :up:

I cried for 10 minutes...This is a great time in America.:party:

Heh....

Counting the posts until this gets moved into RnC. It'll only take one person that doesn't agree with the original poster, tensions will rise, and we'll end up in the same place we always do...

For the 10 billionth time this year, please leave politics out of these forums - it just doesn't end well.

let me prove mojo correct........................................... .j/k!

Counting the posts until this gets moved into RnC. It'll only take one person that doesn't agree with the original poster, tensions will rise, and we'll end up in the same place we always do...

For the 10 billionth time this year, please leave politics out of these forums - it just doesn't end well.

You didn't really think people would let Obama win without complaining about it, did you?:unsure:

Heh....

It's a Obama thing...

congrats to Obama! just don't raise my freakin taxes anymore than they already are! Thanks!
This is truly a historical event, and even though I didn't vote for him (neither did GA), you gotta give em credit. The economy tanking sure didn't hurt his cause either!
like I said before, it could be worse, we could be waking up to Hilary!

Hell I do not really care that he won, what I care about is the rioting and acting like complete idiots on my campus (as well as many others).

Hell I do not really care that he won, what I care about is the rioting and acting like complete idiots on my campus (as well as many others).


Got a link? I've been looking for reports of rioting and haven't found any. I'm beginning to wonder if there's any truth to it or if it's just more lies and deceit.

For the 10 billionth time this year, please leave politics out of these forums - it just doesn't end well.

Now Chris, are you sure it's the 10 billionth time??? I went back and counted, and I think it's only been eight billion, five hundred eighty-seven thousand, seven hundred and forty two times!

Sorry, I just had to do it! I appreciate your efforts here. Just had to poke you!

Hell I do not really care that he won, what I care about is the rioting and acting like complete idiots on my campus (as well as many others).

I'm worried about the rioting as well. and this is a smaill campus I am at.

just don't raise my freakin taxes anymore than they already are!

You got that right. I dont make enough as it is and if he raises them, then i am screwed

congrats though. he worked hard.............................................

I believe that the "rags to riches" story of american culture is gone. Just so everyone knows, we are beginning an era of our lives where we pay for poor people to continue on welfare, for drug addicts to continue to spend their money on drugs, and a day when you are no longer supporting your family, but also the rest of the country. I mean we might as well all stop paying for our homes now. Obama will save us. Stop paying your bills now. Obama will save us. Go ahead ... Take money from your 401k. Obama will "make sure" we are all "taken care of". Good luck with that.

I also believe that this and many other post not dealing with REEFs or the conservation of reefs should be left out. You won't see any other post besides this one from me about none reef related topics(besides the occational comic relief).


SORRY CHRIS you can go ahead and move this to the RnC forum. I just couldn't resist posting something.

SORRY CHRIS you can go ahead and move this to the RnC forum. I just couldn't resist posting something.

I knew people would want to talk about it - everyone does. I just want to give everyone a heads up that any thread that talks politics will go bad, so expect it to end up in RnC and/or getting modded.

Yes, I'm biting my tounge to keep my own opinions out...

I must agree the American dream is dead, at least the part of it that says "I will work hard and reach my goal"

Bah...

Anyways, I was proud of Obama, but I did get sick of other people in my apartment being completely disrespectful and yelling all night long. I like Obama, I voted for him, but I still have to work in the morning. So I think tonight I am gonna throw a "McCain was a good sport" party and shout Mccain's name for a few hours over loud country music.

The excuses are now erased. Anyone can do anything in this country to achieve a dream and realize a goal. No one can now say "my circumstances won't allow it" or "'the man' is holding me down."

I think it's terrific that we've reached this milestone in history. Anyone can go to college. Anyone can be successful. Anyone can be President. Gone is the cop-out. Our president says "yes, we can" so anyone unemployed or uneducated should be echoing that sentiment and achieving great things.

I'm proud of my country. I disagree with our choice for #44, but I'll still pray for my president that he will take the country in the right direction and preserve our liberties and freedoms. Although he's the most liberal senator we have and was supported and endorsed by the hard left, he did give a lot of lip-service to moderate views during this campaign; I hope he remains fairly center.

I think we have some very expensive days in front of us and that the president will make some costly mistakes, but I don't feel like our country will be destroyed internally like some believe.

God Bless America.

I can't complain- I didn't vote- (McCain didn't lose by one vote, after all- or I'd probably be kicking myself)

But, I agree with Linda, and the dude will be in my prayers.

I believe that the "rags to riches" story of american culture is gone. Just so everyone knows, we are beginning an era of our lives where we pay for poor people to continue on welfare, for drug addicts to continue to spend their money on drugs, and a day when you are no longer supporting your family, but also the rest of the country. I mean we might as well all stop paying for our homes now. Obama will save us. Stop paying your bills now. Obama will save us. Go ahead ... Take money from your 401k. Obama will "make sure" we are all "taken care of". Good luck with that.

That pretty much sums it up for me. Why should I work harder to pay more taxes? I have thought a lot recently about working less, spending less, and so paying less taxes. It certainly is not going to help the economy, if everyone that actually has money decides not to spend.

From a fromer President:

You cannot help the poor
by destroying the rich.
You cannot strengthen the weak
by weakening the strong.
You cannot bring about prosperity
by discouraging thrift.
You cannot lift the wage earner up
by pulling the wage payer down.
You cannot further the brotherhood of man
by inciting class hatred.
You cannot build character and courage
by taking away men's initiative and Independence.
You cannot help men permanently
by doing for them what they could, and should, do for themselves.

Abraham Lincoln

I can't complain- I didn't vote- (McCain didn't lose by one vote, after all- or I'd probably be kicking myself)


If you pay taxes, you have every right to complain about what the government does with your money.

I must agree the American dream is dead, at least the part of it that says "I will work hard and reach my goal"

America just elected a man who overcame every possible obsticle. Didn't he have a dream? Didn't he work hard? Didn't he reach his goal? Did he ever receive hand-outs? I never heard of any.

Doesn't that mean any of his constituents can do the very same thing? No more excuses, Wilma Welfare or Harry Handout. Time to get off your tushies. "Yes, you can."

God Bless the U S of A.

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Chris, move this if you must. This is niether a "Rant" nor a "Complaint". I just wanted everyone to know how proud I am of how far we've come as a country. I'm not going to start anything, even though I could. I'm above that.

America just elected a man who overcame every possible obsticle. Didn't he have a dream? Didn't he work hard? Didn't he reach his goal? Did he ever receive hand-outs? I never heard of any.

Doesn't that mean any of his constituents can do the very same thing? No more excuses, Wilma Welfare or Harry Handout. Time to get off your tushies. "Yes, you can."

God Bless the U S of A.

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I would have to agree he has overcome alot of obsticles most people would never reach in there lifetime. This is a man who graduated top of his class out of one of the best colleges in the United States. Heres a man that wants to make our country better.

Not by invading other countries for stuff that not ours like OIL. Looks to me Bush has been on some type of power trip in other countries.

When Obama was elected our new pres. Many people were shouting out racist remarks about him. I mean whats up with that. Just becuase hes not some old a@@ white man half in the coffin with a retarded vice president. Are people just mad becuase he's black!!!!! Remember were are country is at right now and think about how we got there over the last 8 years.

And the taxes everyone is so worried about wont even remotely come close to what bush has made us pay out to the war we shouldnt be in. Sacraficing young people of our country for a cause thats not theres. The money spent on the war could rebuild every school, road, Hwy in the whole United States. I would rather pay a little extra taxes than support the war. IN some type of world domination kick Bush has been on. Everyone was so happy to elect Bush over Kerry and now the people dont even want a republican ha ha thats funny. Gosh the polls must have been tampered with LOL

SORRY PEOPLE PERSONAL OPINION!!!!!!!

I hope this thread is moved, not because of what anyone is saying above....I just would rather visit a reef club, not a political forum. There are plenty other places to discuss politics.

Want me to be the one to make ya move it :) It's a slow day for me.

Want me to be the one to make ya move it :) It's a slow day for me.

Don't do it! I have faith in you that you can resist......

But it's so easy.....this guy is a sitting duck... oh well, your right. I will resist.

However, I have protected myself, I hope every working man and woman has done the same....cause they aren't getting anything more out of me...

Poor are poor for a reason........I will stop there

OK, thats two posts. Doesn't that cost you $10.

I believe that the "rags to riches" story of american culture is gone. Just so everyone knows, we are beginning an era of our lives where we pay for poor people to continue on welfare, for drug addicts to continue to spend their money on drugs, and a day when you are no longer supporting your family, but also the rest of the country. I mean we might as well all stop paying for our homes now. Obama will save us. Stop paying your bills now. Obama will save us. Go ahead ... Take money from your 401k. Obama will "make sure" we are all "taken care of". Good luck with that.

I also believe that this and many other post not dealing with REEFs or the conservation of reefs should be left out. You won't see any other post besides this one from me about none reef related topics(besides the occational comic relief).




SORRY CHRIS you can go ahead and move this to the RnC forum. I just couldn't resist posting something.

I cant agree with this, as it already happens. EIC, and other programs that really help struggling families better their situations have been in place for years. Strict reform of these programs is the key, but unfortunatly, as much as we'd like to force the drug dealers and welfare recipients out on their own, this simply is a double edged sword. Put them on the street, take away what little they get from the gov't, and it will negatively effect Mr. Joe America, supporting his family on his own the best he can. Whether by crime, social decay of his community, or many other scenarios. Simple fact is we want to live in nice, clean, suburban America where everyone smiles and waves, but unless we are willing to give up MAJOR liberties, this just cannot be sustained.

Every canidate had pros and cons, and I think if you objectively look at both of thir policies, especially in regards to small business, Obamas policies actually looked better in some ways. I think at this point it is a little of that conservative 'fear' that is running a little rampant.

but unless we are willing to give up MAJOR liberties, this just cannot be sustained.

But you can't single out one group to pay for it.

Besides, can we be in agreeance that many of these campaign expectations will be significantly watered down in the next 4 years. Especially if congress keeps squabbling like children instead of getting on the same boat.

When Obama was elected our new pres. Many people were shouting out racist remarks about him. I mean whats up with that. Just becuase hes not some old a@@ white man half in the coffin with a retarded vice president. Are people just mad becuase he's black!!!!! Remember were are country is at right now and think about how we got there over the last 8 years.

#1 -- As for how we got where we are over the past 8 years, please don't place all the blame in one place. For much of that time we've had a very liberal democrat Congress. I place much of the blame on President Bush, but other areas of our government must be looked at as well. If you ignore what the Congress has done, we're doomed to repeat it. Reform needs to be done across the board, not just in the Oval Office.

#2 -- As for racists remarks, I was already called a *hater* when what I had posted earlier had nothing to do with hate. It had nothing to do with race. It was 100% about what I fear a liberal administration will do to the economy. Is it really going to be that difficult for someone to speak out about our government now without being called a hater or a racist? That scares me.

#3 -- As far as a *retarded vice president* ... we now have one who graduated at the bottom of his class and has added a lot of comical relief to this campaign in the form of his gaffes. Probably shouldn't speak too loudly about embarassing VP's just yet.

:)

.............

#3 -- As far as a *retarded vice president* ... that part may not change...

How many Biden gaffs can we expect before inauguration?

.....still trying to figure out how this thread helps me manage my reef tank better....:whistling:

.....still trying to figure out how this thread helps me manage my reef tank better....:whistling:
This is the lounge after all. Try reef discussion.

as much as we'd like to force the drug dealers and welfare recipients out on their own, this simply is a double edged sword. Put them on the street, take away what little they get from the gov't, and it will negatively effect Mr. Joe America, supporting his family on his own the best he can. Whether by crime, social decay of his community, or many other scenarios.

When a government allows an element of society to hold another element of society hostage in order to continue a gravy train... now that IS scary.

.....still trying to figure out how this thread helps me manage my reef tank better....:whistling:


Well the import tax our new pres. puts in place will surely help jack the prices up of corals and fish.

Now i can say "wen i was 15 i witnessed the first black presedent get elected" thats somthing rite?

.....still trying to figure out how this thread helps me manage my reef tank better....:whistling:


Well, I never found that discussions about iPhones, halloween costumes, football, video games, birthdays or anything like that furthered my reefing knowledge, but I've still enjoyed those convos in The Lounge.

:D

Well, I never found that discussions about iPhones, halloween costumes, football, video games, birthdays or anything like that furthered my reefing knowledge, but I've still enjoyed those convos in The Lounge.

:D

+1. I like the "off topic" conversations we have in the lounge. I enjoy chatting with my reef buddies about non-reef topics sometimes.

Now i can say "wen i was 15 i witnessed the first black presedent get elected" thats somthing rite?

It certainly is. I respect his intelligence and achievement.

The problem is, how many people voted because of the color of McCain's or Obama's skin? I think as far as race, this country has a long way still to go. My next concern is that some skinhead is gonig to take a shot at him.

I have officially deleted my book mark for the ARC.......If you see me there, beat the &*@$ out of me and call me a blankety blank.


YOU'RE IN FOR AN a$@ Whoop'N TODD.

I agree with Perry.

Well, I never found that discussions about iPhones, halloween costumes, football, video games, birthdays or anything like that furthered my reefing knowledge, but I've still enjoyed those convos in The Lounge.

:D

Ditto!!

YOU'RE IN FOR AN a$@ Whoop'N TODD.

I agree with Perry.

Everybody over to Todd's tonight! This is going to be interesting!

+1. I like the "off topic" conversations we have in the lounge. I enjoy chatting with my reef buddies about non-reef topics sometimes.


Thanx Barbara, I also thought we could be alittle more mature.

Thanx Barbara, I also thought we could be alittle more mature.

I still think we can be Mike! I didn't vote for Obama, and I don't like him, but I completely understand why blacks would feel proud about the way it turned out. No matter who we are, and how we feel, if we take the time to get to know one another, we can always find something in common; something to like about each other. And if we take that feeling, that respect, and apply it in situations where we don't agree, then we will be capable of getting along and being kind in spite of our differences of opinion.

Everybody over to Todd's tonight! This is going to be interesting!

A roast?

I'll bring chips 'n dip.

A roast?

I'll bring chips 'n dip.

No, an a#* whoopin'. He'll be back and he still has ARC bookmarked.

How many people really believe 95% of the population will receive a tax cut?

I hope he sticks to it but if he doesn't this will be his "read my lips" stigma.

Personally, I think we're about to see record unemployment, inflation out the wazoo, double digit interest rates and testing by foreign govt's militarily.

How many people really believe 95% of the population will receive a tax cut?


I believe what he said is that they won't get a tax increase.

+1. I like the "off topic" conversations we have in the lounge. I enjoy chatting with my reef buddies about non-reef topics sometimes.

yes:yay:

I believe he will raise taxes for all. Just my opinion. He's very liberal. That's why I don't like him; not because of color. After all, I voted for a black man in the primarys, and would have voted for him if he was on the ballot.

Alan Keyes in 2012!

I believe what he said is that they won't get a tax increase.

Letting the Bush tax cuts expire (which he says he will do), will in fact result in a tax increase for most of us.

I honestly fear for our civil liberties in the coming days. As this country has been pushed into the realm of socialism, with GWB giving it a kick in the pants over the last 8. With a very liberal legislative branch, headed by the Pelosi\Reid crowd, the most liberal Senator now as POTUS, and the possibility of several SCOTUS positions coming available, I feel I have much to fear.

In the coming days, the first ammendment will be restrained. The fairness doctrine will have a huge impact on the 1A, even more so than McCain-Feingold. And it's coming.

And brother Obama, is adamant about reinstating the expired assault weapons ban. So here goes the second ammendment. Along with super high taxes on firearms and ammunition, we will be subject to microstamping, mandatory gun registration, the inevitable overturn of Heller vs DC, the ban of CCW's, if firearms aren't all but restricted.

And with the degregation of the first and second ammendments, the rest as well as the entire constitution is subject to fail.

So no I did not vote for Obama because he's black, I didn't vote for him because he's a threat to the American way of life.

Anyways, I'm proud of this country as well although I do realize that any democratic candidate prolly woulda won this election with the way the republicans dropped the ball the past few years.

#1 -- As for how we got where we are over the past 8 years, please don't place all the blame in one place. For much of that time we've had a very liberal democrat Congress. I place much of the blame on President Bush, but other areas of our government must be looked at as well. If you ignore what the Congress has done, we're doomed to repeat it. Reform needs to be done across the board, not just in the Oval Office.
Other areas do need some attention, our Congress isnt always correct and reform does need to happen. I didnt mean Bush was the only person to blame just saying that there are some serious problems going on that WE THE PEOPLE have been lied to about in order for us to sleep at night. No one ever wants to stand up and take the blame. How many americans feel safe right here in our own country?

#2 -- As for racists remarks, I was already called a *hater* when what I had posted earlier had nothing to do with hate. It had nothing to do with race. It was 100% about what I fear a liberal administration will do to the economy. Is it really going to be that difficult for someone to speak out about our government now without being called a hater or a racist? That scares me.
That probly scares a whole lot of people, I think over the years people never thought there would be a black president. WHY can anyone tell me that without being a racist!!!!!!!!!!


#3 -- As far as a *retarded vice president* ... we now have one who graduated at the bottom of his class and has added a lot of comical relief to this campaign in the form of his gaffes. Probably shouldn't speak too loudly about embarassing VP's just yet.
I'll take one back here, I agree I may be speaking to soon LOL. But I didnt have a choice for VP. It would have been neither.

:)

Like I said just my opinion...

Well, I never found that discussions about iPhones, halloween costumes, football, video games, birthdays or anything like that furthered my reefing knowledge, but I've still enjoyed those convos in The Lounge.

:D

Funny, I dont see any of those explicitly banned by the forum rules. I guess I can start breaking all the others in this rule right!?!? Politics are left off because they are such a hot topic. It always leads to trouble and I could spend hours correcting all the things that people say on here. Its absurd.

Posts that will be edited, deleted, or get you banned:
Posts containing offensive racial, gender, sexual preference, religious, political, or nationality-bashing language.

I voted for neither candidate as I did not fully agree with either. If I had to lean toward one at my age, it would be Obama because of the amount of money I will make in the coming years. I still didnt come to the ARC to see this in the lounge. Ill avoid the RnC but why are only certain forum rules being followed here?

And that doesn't even dive into his economic plans.

Our economy has become stagnant. We saw a decrease in productivity of .3% last quarter, if it decreases this coming quarter, officially we're in a recession.

If time has shown us anything, the way to choke out an already stumbling economy, is to raise anyone's taxes PERIOD.

The wealthy minority in the country already pay near 70% of the tax burden. Those wealthy are whom many of us directly/indirectly work for. If taxes are raised on those, it will only trickly down to the lower men or women on the totem pole. Like an old football coach of mine says, "Sh*t slides downhill".

Secondly, of the 95% who will receive a tax break, over 40% don't pay taxes. Those will start with a tax credit, in which the government owes them money. So the taxes you pay, will be redistributed to those who don't pay it to begin with. Any marxist fans here?

American business pay the second highest business tax in the world, no wonder jobs are shipped overseas. And now the President-elect wants to raise capital gains tax even more. Twice in our history the capital gains tax was raised, both times it had a negative effect.

Charlie, in general I agree with you. However, we just had a presidential election last night. We just elected the first black president. Folks are going to want to talk about it. I admire Chris's decision to allow the conversation to flow. We'll probably hit over 100 posts, maybe even 200. If everyone keeps it civil, we'll all move on, it'll be out of our system and we can get back to reefing. However, at this moment, this is the biggest event we've seen in a long time, and folks are itching to talk about it. What better group to talk to than those you consider your friends, and those who share a common interest with you? I'll say again; I commend Chris (mojo) for allowing this conversation to continue, but I will support him if he decides to stop it too. He has monitored this closely; he's not going to let it get out of hand.

That rule does say "offensive".

Has anything been offensive yet?

I dont feel this discussion is getting out of hand at all people are just trying to understand other peoples views and be open to things they may have never heard before. There is so much going on during debates he said she said that sometimes I just cant watch anymore. There are things that both Obama and McCain siad that I liked and things I didnt.People are worried about our rights. What rights we dont have many as it is.

actually, it has gone very well & repectful so far. Let's keep it that way! Thanks Chris!

Anyways, I'm proud of this country as well although I do realize that any democratic candidate prolly woulda won this election with the way the republicans dropped the ball the past few years.

very true

Yup- I realize that, strictly speaking, it's against the forum rules, and under normal circumstances, should be moved to RnC.

But a presidential election only happens every 4 years, and this one is sure to rock the boat a bit. Regardless if you agree with the winner, the final outcome affects everybody in profound ways. People want to talk about it, reef forum or not.

As long as the thread remains civil, I'm not doing anything. The rules are in place to keep the forums sane, not because we're some Nazi regime. If the other mods or the BoD wants to move it, then I'm sure someone will call me.


Now... every please continue and keep things sane. If someone starts with the personal attacks, it will get moved.

Obama = smoke and mirrors, lets hope for the best :(

very true

And I also agree with that. I was, and still am, no fan of McCain. But it was still a suprise to see the popular vote. Even with the debacle of the Republican party, and the money the Obama party spent. So my hats off to McCain, he got a lot of people to vote for him.

And on the same token, I congratulate Obama. He ran a well executed campaign. While I agree with almost none of his policies, he will still be the President of the United States. An office I respect, and so will I respect him.

What has worried me more is a supermajority in the senate. At least that has been avoided.

all this talk of civil rights, history, equality, and how color doesnt matter just makes me think it is as much of an issue as it ever was.

wake me up when the day comes that someones skin color is NOT a headline. till then nothings really changed, story is just different.

/soapbox white male with no political affiliation

While I agree with almost none of his policies, he will still be the President of the United States. An office I respect, and so will I respect him.

That is actually my pledge too. I don't like liberal policies, and therefore find myself opposed to the democrats all the time. I couldn't stand Bill Clinton, and therefore I dogged him out throughout his entire presidency. I'm not proud of the way I behaved and my vow this time is to try to be a better patriot during the next 4 years.

And on the same token, I congratulate Obama. He ran a well executed campaign. While I agree with almost none of his policies, he will still be the President of the United States. An office I respect, and so will I respect him.


I totally agree here!

That is actually my pledge too. I don't like liberal policies, and therefore find myself opposed to the democrats all the time. I couldn't stand Bill Clinton, and therefore I dogged him out throughout his entire presidency. I'm not proud of the way I behaved and my vow this time is to try to be a better patriot during the next 4 years.

That's funny Barbara, I'm a conservative at least economically but couldn't stand many of Bush's policies.

And I also agree with that. I was, and still am, no fan of McCain. But it was still a suprise to see the popular vote. Even with the debacle of the Republican party, and the money the Obama party spent. So my hats off to McCain, he got a lot of people to vote for him.

And on the same token, I congratulate Obama. He ran a well executed campaign. While I agree with almost none of his policies, he will still be the President of the United States. An office I respect, and so will I respect him.Well said and like I said in my post as a patriot he should be respected. No need to be bitter about the election the man won fair and square and he should have his 4 years just like anyone else. As Americans we should be happy about our democratic processes no matter who you voted for. We could live in a dictatorship and not even be having this discussion.

We could live in a dictatorship and not even be having this discussion.

Hear! Hear!

As Americans we should be happy about our democratic processes no matter who you voted for. We could live in a dictatorship and not even be having this discussion.


Very good John !!

I voted for Tony The Barber...:lol2:

There's at least one person on here who wishes we did wake up to Hillary. That would be me.

I'm thinking I'm turning my sights to Jindal in '12.

We just elected a man who's father overcame a lot. Obama did not have any problems getting in to the schools he went to as far as I know. He also called him self Berry till he got to college. But this is also a man who wants to "spread the wealth" and give out health care. That is not working for what you want and need. I think his constituents can and should do the same thing he did, they should work had and not sit back and say "I want what they have... some one give it to me"

America just elected a man who overcame every possible obsticle. Didn't he have a dream? Didn't he work hard? Didn't he reach his goal? Did he ever receive hand-outs? I never heard of any.

Doesn't that mean any of his constituents can do the very same thing? No more excuses, Wilma Welfare or Harry Handout. Time to get off your tushies. "Yes, you can."

God Bless the U S of A.

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Funny, I dont see any of those explicitly banned by the forum rules. I guess I can start breaking all the others in this rule right!?!? Politics are left off because they are such a hot topic. It always leads to trouble and I could spend hours correcting all the things that people say on here. Its absurd.

Posts that will be edited, deleted, or get you banned:
Posts containing offensive racial, gender, sexual preference, religious, political, or nationality-bashing language.

I voted for neither candidate as I did not fully agree with either. If I had to lean toward one at my age, it would be Obama because of the amount of money I will make in the coming years. I still didnt come to the ARC to see this in the lounge. Ill avoid the RnC but why are only certain forum rules being followed here?

Charlie, the rule says:

Posts that will be edited, deleted, or get you banned:
Posts containing offensive racial, gender, sexual preference, religious, political, or nationality-bashing language.

I've always read that to mean responsible conversations can take place if the *Offensive* language is avoided. If you ban non-offensive political discussion, then don't you also have to ban non-offensive gender discussion, non-offensive religious discussion, non-offensive nationality discussion, etc.?

I don't see the problem with responsible adults having this healthy conversation and everyone seems to be in consensus that if it does become *offensive* (and therefore in violation of the rules), then it'll be closed.

Seems that after all the forum growing pains we've had over the past months, we've gotten to a healthy place.

Yeah but this is just like Ralph's ghetto thread. Its offensive to some and not to all. Some of the things on here ARE offensive to me, but maybe not to others. Whatever, Ill just read and laugh.

Yeah but this is just like Ralph's ghetto thread. Its offensive to some and not to all. Some of the things on here ARE offensive to me, but maybe not to others. Whatever, Ill just read and laugh.


Yo Charlie, stop hate'n, there's nothing offensive here.

Haha oh I apologize that I am not allowed to be offended by something that your not! I must be hate'n! REALLY!?!?! You scream affirmative action then tell me that since a comment offends me that Im hate'n?!?!?

Haha oh I apologize that I am not allowed to be offended by something that your not! I must be hate'n! REALLY!?!?! You scream affirmative action then tell me that since a comment offends me that Im hate'n?!?!?

Sounds like you're deliberately trying to spoil this discussion and get it moved to RnC. No one's forcing you to read it, Charlie. Everyone else is enjoying it.

Thanks.

Good time to log off and go to lunch.

:(

Yeah but this is just like Ralph's ghetto thread. Its offensive to some and not to all. Some of the things on here ARE offensive to me, but maybe not to others. Whatever, Ill just read and laugh.


oh please! Leave me out of it. :yuk:

Sounds like you're deliberately trying to spoil this discussion and get it moved to RnC. No one's forcing you to read it, Charlie. Everyone else is enjoying it.

Thanks.

Good time to log off and go to lunch.

:(


I made a comment about it and then a racial slur was made toward me and im the bad guy?!?!

I usually stay far away from these threads but I know there are a lot of scared people out there. I just wanted to share what has given me great comfort. My wife and I posted this yesterday morning on our blog...

1. The Bible will still have all the answers.
2. Prayer will still work.
3. The Holy Spirit will still move.
4. God will still inhabit the praise of His people.
5. God will still pour out His blessings upon His people.
6. There will still be God-anointed teaching and preaching.
7. There will still be singing of praise to God.
8. There will still be room at the Cross.
9. Jesus will still love His own.
10. Jesus will still save the lost.

Whatever the outcome of this election, remember, God is still in control. Today, tomorrow, forever... God is still in control.

I made a comment about it and then a racial slur was made toward me and im the bad guy?!?!


C'mon Charlie, nothing racial said. I think you are tryin' to spoil this.

Posts that will be edited, deleted, or get you banned:
Posts containing offensive racial, gender, sexual preference, religious, political, or nationality-bashing language.


I usually stay far away from these threads but I know there are a lot of scared people out there. I just wanted to share what has given me great comfort. My wife and I posted this yesterday morning on our blog...

1. The Bible will still have all the answers.
2. Prayer will still work.
3. The Holy Spirit will still move.
4. God will still inhabit the praise of His people.
5. God will still pour out His blessings upon His people.
6. There will still be God-anointed teaching and preaching.
7. There will still be singing of praise to God.
8. There will still be room at the Cross.
9. Jesus will still love His own.
10. Jesus will still save the lost.

Whatever the outcome of this election, remember, God is still in control. Today, tomorrow, forever... God is still in control.

Beautiful--let's throw religion into the mix!:doh:

This is coming from the "voice of reason"! LOL!

anyway, why don't we all take a 30 minute break and meet back here at say 1:45?

C'mon Charlie, nothing racial said. I think you are tryin' to spoil this.

Dont pretend like you know me and were buds by using my name. I dont know you and you dont know me so your comments to me are highly offensive.

it's heading to r&c otherwise..............u see it coming.

Yo DAWGDUDE, I'll be the man here and apologize, I'm sorry. There are others here that do know me and know I wouldn't purposely be offensive. and thanx for ruining this thread, again God Bless America.

I have one last suggestion! I had some pretty cool news:

I am a cover gir......ummmm...cover boy for 2009 calendar!
seriuosly check this out for 30 minutes or so!

http://www.atlantareefclub.org/forums/showthread.php?t=20939

it's heading to r&c otherwise..............u see it coming.


Yep, I see it gone.

The agnostics out here are still worried about our taxes.

Dont pretend like you know me and were buds by using my name. I dont know you and you dont know me so your comments to me are highly offensive.

owned by the chuck-meister.

I see no need for this to move to RnC personally. As long as Amberjack leaves the personal attacks toward me out of it, Im fine. Amberjack apologized and thats done. I just am highly offended by someone eluding to the fact that my comments are me "hate'n" on something or someone when I am just laughing at some of the comments being made.

Oh darn! I'm still hoping we can keep it civil. Chull, your words echo my sentiment exactly! (Sorry George - gwhiz, but nothing goes better with politics than religion:eeek: ) But I feel the same way - God is in control. And He expects us to behave!

don't take anybodies bait! Don't get pulled in "by the one that shall remain nameless"

Voldemort?

I see no need for this to move to RnC personally. As long as Amberjack leaves the personal attacks toward me out of it, Im fine. Amberjack apologized and thats done. I just am highly offended by someone eluding to the fact that my comments are me "hate'n" on something or someone when I am just laughing at some of the comments being made.


Sorry again man, for my choice of words.
Michael.

Voldemort?


No Jin, I'm not the "Dark Lord".

Sorry again man, for my choice of words.
Michael.

Its not a big deal. Water under the bridge.

I was referring to Ralph's quote above mine. Not sure what he was referring to. I know you Michael and you're one of the good ones around here.
:)

Voldemort?


no silly

Charlie- let it go. You have been sending me PM's - keep it at that, please, and let everyone else talk like adults. If you're offended, then don't read the thread.

When you're a moderator, you can make the decisions. Until then, I would appreciate leaving the burden of making the decisions to myself and the other mods; to do otherwise just undermines what little authority we have on the boards.

Chris I sent you a message a while ago. I didnt make any decision and dont want to be a mod. Once you stated the reason you were leaving the thread, I didnt ask you to move it or anything. The pms your referring to are not really even pertinent now. Feel free to send me a pm explaining how I undermine your authority when I requested that a thread, clearly in violation of the rules be moved. Then you explained due to special circumstances, those rules were being ignored. Im done with this and your bringing it back up.

God is in control. And He expects us to behave!

Look out Charlie! Bolt of lightning coming your way!

IMHO...

A Commander in Chief is a Commander in Chief! I'll serve Obama like I served Clinton. I just hope there are no cigar incidents!

BTW(I did a write in..wonder how many votes Mickey Mouse got this time around?)

1hr and 6 pages of replies

Why can't we all of the spirits of children....... This performance was by Ron Clark Elementary in Atlanta yesterday morning. I LOVE it!!! HAHAHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxlwYP0HNdc

Look out Charlie! Bolt of lightning coming your way!

:) Haha Wouldnt be the first thing targeting me......

I was referring to Ralph's quote above mine. Not sure what he was referring to. I know you Michael and you're one of the good ones around here.
:)


Oh, Thanx Jin.:doh:

Oh darn! I'm still hoping we can keep it civil. Chull, your words echo my sentiment exactly! (Sorry George - gwhiz, but nothing goes better with politics than religion:eeek: ) But I feel the same way - God is in control. And He expects us to behave!


+1

Amen!

Why can't we all of the spirits of children....... This performance was by Ron Clark Elementary in Atlanta yesterday morning. I LOVE it!!! HAHAHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxlwYP0HNdc That was great

That was great


Yes it was John.

Ok, guys, please leave the religion out of it. I understand that a large number of people here are religious, and that's fine, but this is a rarely-allowed thread about politics. Either we're going to stick to the topic at hand or the thread will get moved.

Please be respectful to the heathen among us and keep the religious comments out of this thread. :) When the Second Coming happens, we'll allow a thread to talk about it the next day then, too. :)

Ok, guys, please leave the religion out of it. When the Second Coming happens, we'll allow a thread to talk about it the next day then, too. :)


:lol2: :lol2: :lol2:

Ok, guys, please leave the religion out of it. I understand that a large number of people here are religious, and that's fine, but this is a rarely-allowed thread about politics. Either we're going to stick to the topic at hand or the thread will get moved.

Please be respectful to the heathen among us and keep the religious comments out of this thread. :) When the Second Coming happens, we'll allow a thread to talk about it the next day then, too. :)

WOW!!!!

"When the Second Coming happens, we'll allow a thread to talk about it the next day then, too. :)"



Is MACNA coming back?!?!?!? :thumbs:

Wow 13 people on a thread at one time must be a new high. LOL I really have liked reading this thread with my wife.

:) When the Second Coming happens, we'll allow a thread to talk about it the next day then, too. :)

Dang it! I won't be here!

(Sorry Chris, I just had to. It was just an easy shot! Please forgive my weird humor.)

PM Sent to Dawgdude....


LOL sent to Mojo!!! ;)

IMHO...

A Commander in Chief is a Commander in Chief! I'll serve Obama like I served Clinton. I just hope there are no cigar incidents!

BTW(I did a write in..wonder how many votes Mickey Mouse got this time around?)

At least one for Senator from me.

Im sure if I posted what I wanted to say I would be kicked off. So I will leave it at this, I hope Obama doesnt tear the country apart, and he better...BETTER not make the armed forces look corrupt.
Im a proud american, I just hope that america doesnt change on me.

I've gotten a couple more complaints about this thread.

Given the volatile nature of the thread, but the need for people to express their opinion on the subject, I'm going to keep the thread open through midnight tonight. After that, we're all returning to the normal non-political / non-religious stance on threads...

Barbara..Steve, Perry.....bring it on :)

BTW..dinner tonight? Thinking about 5 Guys burgers over on Town Lake.

That sounds extremely fair Chris. (NOW if u can do me a favor, and "cough" up some names on who is complaing, I'd appreciate it!................ j/k)

Why they complaining? They vote for Ralph Nader again!

I'm up for Din din, Todd. We'll kick your butt afterwards! What time?

Why they complaining? They vote for Ralph Nader again!

It's the Florida crowd--they couldn't figure out the ballot again this year!

I've gotten a couple more complaints about this thread.

Given the volatile nature of the thread, but the need for people to express their opinion on the subject, I'm going to keep the thread open through midnight tonight. After that, we're all returning to the normal non-political / non-religious stance on threads...

Thanx Chris, that is fair. I hope everyone understands that one of the things Obama is trying to do is bring us together, it's about time.

It's the Florida crowd--they couldn't figure out the ballot again this year!

I thought that Chad guy dropped out of the race this year?

BTW(I did a write in..wonder how many votes Mickey Mouse got this time around?)

Is this the same Mickey Mouse that was registered to vote in several states? If so, he probably did get several votes... by him and for him.

;-)

Thanx Chris, that is fair. I hope everyone understands that one of the things Obama is trying to do is bring us together, it's about time.

Since we're gonna continue to talk politics, I've got a question for the group. Why is Obama referred to as our first black president? He's half white--where's the cut-off? 40%? 30%? Lower?

I can only state what my friend said to me. She stated that she still identifies with both races, but since she was raised culturally in an African-American home with 1 white parent, she identifies (or chooses to identify) more with African-Americans or people of color. Of course, she told me that a few years ago, so it is by no means an exact quote. That is exactly how I remember it.

George,
Back in the 1800's they made that distinction using the "one tenth rule. Meaning if you had 1/10 African blood in you, you were considered "Negro" or "Black". It started in New Orleans to identify "Mulattoes".

Since we're gonna continue to talk politics, I've got a question for the group. Why is Obama referred to as our first black president? He's half white--where's the cut-off? 40%? 30%? Lower?

for the media? I think they would have been satisfied with a particularly dark skinned italian if they could turn it into such a news story.

Is it true that the previous tax thresh hold of $250,000 in income to be exempt from the OBAMA tax INCREASE is actually shrinking to $120,000. I was told Biden referenced this and one of Obama's future cabinet members has alluded to the same thing. Here we go....
Again, this is all conversational 3rd party info that I have no proof of. It surely WOULD NOT surprise me, but does anyone have real proof of this?
Secondly, how in the world do people not realize that a tax increase on profits of large companies will not trickle down to the consumer and result in higher prices and both jons and large corporations moving overseas.

Lastly:
Look, I'm proud of the strides that America has made in voting the first Black president, and in no way can I relate to what it must feel like being an elderly African-American that have lived through segregation having the joy to vote for a Black candidate. I just think too many people voted on the premise of race and not the qualifications of the 2 candidates. I wasn't a strong supporter of either candidate, but since I felt McCain had Ga won, I casted my vote for Bob Barr.
I do hope that the next 4 years will unite America, but feel that the current and future economic policies will inhibit that.

I've gotten a couple more complaints about this thread.

Given the volatile nature of the thread, but the need for people to express their opinion on the subject, I'm going to keep the thread open through midnight tonight. After that, we're all returning to the normal non-political / non-religious stance on threads...

You should probably either re-read, or re-write the rules. I think it uses the adjective "offensive" for a reason. Having a discussion involving politics or religion is NOT inherently offensive. I understand that there are those who are on a constant lookout for a reason to be offended, but that's their issue. Just because offense is taken doesn't mean that an offense was committed.

the rules also state, "It is up to the Board of Directors and Moderators to interpret the intent of each post. The ARC reserves the right to disable the board, limit access to the board, ban users, and delete or edit topics and posts at the discretion of volunteer moderators. The moderators reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.

By posting to or reading this discussion board, you agree to be bound by these rules."


so please don't attack Chris! he's is doing us a favor! and we all appreciate it! (well, most!)

Secondly, how in the world do people not realize that a tax increase on profits of large companies will not trickle down to the consumer and result in higher prices and both jobs and large corporations moving overseas.


No kidding! I've been wondering the same thing!

personally I hate that this election was bought by both sides through promises of tax cuts that do nothing for the economy and increase our deficit.

but everyone seemed to base their vote on which candidate will more directly put money into their wallet. me being a younger person, cant help but feel the real consequences will be a decade or 2 down the road when this very irresonsible fiscal policy by all parties to bribe the short sited public voters will collapse the worlds governments.

Can't we all just get along!! Everyone DANCE!!!


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u150/washowi/2969636392_5481368412_o.jpg

the rules also state, "It is up to the Board of Directors and Moderators to interpret the intent of each post. The ARC reserves the right to disable the board, limit access to the board, ban users, and delete or edit topics and posts at the discretion of volunteer moderators. The moderators reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.

By posting to or reading this discussion board, you agree to be bound by these rules."


so please don't attack Chris! he's is doing us a favor! and we all appreciate it! (well, most!)

+1!

Can't we all just get along!! Everyone DANCE!!!


http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u150/washowi/2969636392_5481368412_o.jpg

everyone does seem to be getting along though... whoever is offended by this, isnt showing it.

but no difference to me.

[quote=mojo;236637]I've gotten a couple more complaints about this thread.

Chris, do what you will but I've re-read this entire thread and for the life of me I can't find anything offensive other than me and Dawgdude and we're over it. Like Barbara said, it's nice to discuss these things with people you consider friends as I do all of you.

the rules also state, "It is up to the Board of Directors and Moderators to interpret the intent of each post. The ARC reserves the right to disable the board, limit access to the board, ban users, and delete or edit topics and posts at the discretion of volunteer moderators. The moderators reserve the right to remove, edit, move or close any thread for any reason.

By posting to or reading this discussion board, you agree to be bound by these rules."


so please don't attack Chris! he's is doing us a favor! and we all appreciate it! (well, most!)

+2

the rules also state, "It is up to the Board of

so please don't attack Chris! he's is doing us a favor! and we all appreciate it! (well, most!)


Chris, I DO appreciate what you're doing and in no way am I attacking you. I hope you don't think I am.

[quote=MvM;236669]Secondly, how in the world do people not realize that a tax increase on profits of large companies will not trickle down to the consumer and result in higher prices and both jons and large corporations moving overseas.
quote]


so you mean to tell me that the stockholders won't allow less profits? so r u saying stockholders only want their money to grow as opposed to shrink? what kind of investment is that?
:doh:

Chris, I DO appreciate what you're doing and in no way am I attacking you. I hope you don't think I am.


it wasn't you silly! you missed a post up above!

What amazes me is that no one seems to realize that after the last 8 years of "fiscal conservatism" taxes were going to be raised no matter who won. It's almost exactly what happened to Bush I after RR's spend spend spend policies.

Yah the line between rep and dem in regards to government spending sure is hazy these days.

Anyways I found a news clip (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B62p-dEfUZM&feature=related) in regards to Obama's tax plans. Enjoy.

DOW down 500...so much for confidence in the President elect so far..

Ill have to check the rules again, but I think obama has a little while before he gets to move in. and as if the president can do anything drastic for the economy anyway.

there are no answers to our current situation, and its hard to blame the situation on the current administration or senate, unless you blame their lack of foresight to fix it before it crashed, but I didnt see the public at large crying out for more regulation in the financial industry before the current downswing. Im no bush fan, and I could blame alot of things on him with a decent amount of support. but the stock market isnt really 1 of them. And the president in general does not have any direct control over it either.

DOW down 500...so much for confidence in the President elect so far..
If the Democrats had won 60 senate seats we would be talking about the Dow at 5000.

If you pay taxes, you have every right to complain about what the government does with your money.

You can complain, but if you don't vote your complaint should fall on deaf ears.

DOW down 500...so much for confidence in the President elect so far..

What are you doing here? Are you just trying to prove that you're completely full of hot air?:lol2:

Ill have to check the rules again, but I think obama has a little while before he gets to move in. and as if the president can do anything drastic for the economy anyway.

there are no answers to our current situation, and its hard to blame the situation on the current administration or senate, unless you blame their lack of foresight to fix it before it crashed, but I didnt see the public at large crying out for more regulation in the financial industry before the current downswing. Im no bush fan, and I could blame alot of things on him with a decent amount of support. but the stock market isnt really 1 of them. And the president in general does not have any direct control over it either.
I blame al levels of society for not understanding how to spend their money or borrow responsibly. There is double the amount of money at risk in credit card debt then in the housing crisis.

Secondly, how in the world do people not realize that a tax increase on profits of large companies will not trickle down to the consumer and result in higher prices and both jobs and large corporations moving overseas.Apparently you haven't been paying attention even with the corporate tax cuts the jobs are being moved overseas.

Hey..what my money no good around here......wait, in 2 months I wont have any more money......the less fortunate will have all my money....


back to the other side

You can complain, but if you don't vote your complaint should fall on deaf ears.

So if you have a huge issue with something for each candidate and did not vote because of that, then what do you do? Say this person is highly politically informed to the point where they do understand the issues and just dont agree with either answer? Does it fall on deaf ears because their voice is not represented?

So if you have a huge issue with something for each candidate and did not vote because of that, then what do you do? Say this person is highly politically informed to the point where they do understand the issues and just dont agree with either answer? Does it fall on deaf ears because their voice is not represented?

You write in a candidate or you vote for a 3rd party. But if you don't take part in the electoral process, tough.

So if you have a huge issue with something for each candidate and did not vote because of that, then what do you do? Say this person is highly politically informed to the point where they do understand the issues and just dont agree with either answer? Does it fall on deaf ears because their voice is not represented?

Who is John Galt.

You write in a candidate or you vote for a 3rd party. But if you don't take part in the electoral process, tough.

So someone has to pick something in order to have a choice? So the man who writes Mickey Mouse has more voice than the one who was better informed and picked none?

So someone has to pick something in order to have a choice? So the man who writes Mickey Mouse has more voice than the one who was better informed and picked none?


Your example is a little extreme, but yes. In my opinion either use your voice or shut up.

Your example is a little extreme, but yes. In my opinion either use your voice or shut up.

This election was a little extreme. An African-american president or a female vice pres. That never happened in history and both in the same year. Its opening all kinds of new doors for political electoral behavior since it answered so many questions.

So someone has to pick something in order to have a choice? So the man who writes Mickey Mouse has more voice than the one who was better informed and picked none?Last I checked there was more on the Ballot then the presidential election. We voted for all sorts of public offices. You also dont have to write in Mickey mouse it can be anybody you feel qualified. I almost didn't vote for the same reason you stated but after I thought about it I went and did it anyway because as an American I feel its my civic duty. So to answer your question yes the guy that wrote in Mickey mouse does have more right to complain

This election was a little extreme. An African-american president or a female vice pres. That never happened in history and both in the same year. Its opening all kinds of new doors for political electoral behavior since it answered so many questions.

Just for the sake of accuracy it was only the first black president. Geraldine Ferraro(sp?) was the first female vice presidential candidate(Reagan vs Mondale).

An African-american president or a female vice pres. That never happened in history and both in the same year.
In point of fact, we have had a female VP candidate once before. In 1984, Geraldine Ferraro was Walter Mondale's VP.

****. 2 minutes late.

For my 2 cents, the truly historic ocasion would be if "because he's black" hadn't been the reason for anyone's vote, for or against, because while it is a first, it isn't (or at least shouldn't be) a quality relavent to the office.

/nelson voice haha


In point of fact, we have had a female VP candidate once before. In 1984, Geraldine Ferraro was Walter Mondale's VP.

****. 2 minutes late.

For my 2 cents, the truly historic ocasion would be if "because he's black" hadn't been the reason for anyone's vote, for or against, because while it is a first, it isn't (or at least shouldn't be) a quality relavent to the office.

I didnt say candidate, I said president and vice president. Either way one of the two would be a first. Hence, its an extreme election since its never happened.

Last night I could be found in the fetal position in front of my TV... so cold...

Anycrap, I voted for McCain because my clients are high income earners. Providing an absolute luxury of a service, I want my clients to have as much discretionary income as possible. Voting for Obama would be voting me out of a more lucrative future. I would make more in new business than I would from his backwards tax policies.

Let me earn my money, ****it. Don't hand it to me on a silver platter.

correct..no vote...shut up...also, on the ballot was Senators...judges, coroners, and lots of other stuff..we had 3 tax propositions here in Cherokee County......again....you can't take the time to vote, mark your ballot, represent your opinion via a vote.....then you have no rights as far as I am concerned...you are one of the people that is begging for someone to take care you cause it's an inconvenience to vote and think your vote means nothing and want governmental handouts.

No vote, no rights.....Hell, how many people died for the right to vote....and people don't? WTF!!! The other thread started was on track...people should take a test to be able to vote.


Hope Obama gives you all the stuff you think you deserve.

Ahhh, see I took it as if you dont vote for the presidential ticket then you have no voice.

correct..no vote...shut up...also, on the ballot was Senators...judges, coroners, and lots of other stuff..we had 3 tax propositions here in Cherokee County......again....you can't take the time to vote, mark your ballot, represent your opinion via a vote.....then you have no rights as far as I am concerned...you are one of the people that is begging for someone to take care you cause it's an inconvenience to vote and think your vote means nothing and want governmental handouts.

No vote, no rights.....Hell, how many people died for the right to vote....and people don't? WTF!!! The other thread started was on track...people should take a test to be able to vote.


Hope Obama gives you all the stuff you think you deserve.
And best of all here in paulding we voted for sales of alcohol by the drink on sunday.

Last night I could be found in the fetal position in front of my TV... so cold...

Anycrap, I voted for McCain because my clients are high income earners. Providing an absolute luxury of a service, I want my clients to have as much discretionary income as possible. Voting for Obama would be voting me out of a more lucrative future. I would make more in new business than I would from his backwards tax policies.

Let me earn my money, ****it. Don't hand it to me on a silver platter.

I agree, and since he's THE TREASURER, I think he is more qualified, too!

Ahhh, see I toke it as if you dont vote for the presidential ticket then you have no voice.


and just what r u smok.....I mean toking? or is that a typo? LOL!

THE TREASURER, I think he is more qualified, too!

That's a title that doesn't go to my head. Trust me!

That's a title that doesn't go to my head. Trust me!

just playin'! but I still agree with your post!

and just what r u smok.....I mean toking? or is that a typo? LOL!

Haha you were the one who had the Dead bears for a while.

.........and I can't believe it's still in the lounge! WOW! Great job everyone! less than 6 hours to go!

I think a lot of liberals have good hearts and sincerely want to help the underprivileged. They're sympathetic towards them. And it gives a person a warm-fuzzy feeling to see someone less fortunate receive good things when we have so much.

And I think some people (such as celebrities) who have it all and did not have to struggle much to get it feel a bit guilty and supporting liberal programs that benefit the needy alleviates that guilt.

My only question about that is --- if you feel sympathetic, why not give your own money, your own time, your own efforts to charity instead of asking the government to do it? While some celebrities do a lot for charity, there are some that do absolutely nothing.

We also have a president-elect whose primary platform was reaching out to the less privileged masses. Yet this same person gave very little to charity until his decision to run for the presidency. Once he knew his tax returns would be of public record, his charitable contributions suddenly soared.

And our future vice president who wants to take money from successful Americans and distribute it to those who don't work? His charitable contributions are laughable. If you don't already know how paultry they are, I'm not even going to post it. Look it up.

I have friends who are liberals and they are caring, intelligent people. I just don't think that they should pass any perceived *duty* to the poor away from their own To-Do List and onto the agenda of the Federal Government.

It my opinion -- it just isn't fair.

Haha you were the one who had the Dead bears for a while.
LOL!

I blame al levels of society for not understanding how to spend their money or borrow responsibly. There is double the amount of money at risk in credit card debt then in the housing crisis.


Amen...Sure there are a number of people to blame for the sub prime fiasco...but at what point do we stop telling people it's ok to be irresponsible?

If a family gets an extra $500 or $1000 back in tax relief ( translation.... handout ) what is that really going to do? Most now don't spend responsibly and additional free income will just get spent on crap they don't need anyway.

I'm no Obama fan, I'm already looking for places to stash cash to avoid taking a hit on potential raised taxes, but the core problem won't be him...its the current culture of entitlement where people feel they are owed something. Get rid of direct financial freebies and either require those getting funds to provide some benefit to their communities or put it all into education so that these people can be productive members of society. God forbid you actually have to work for something.......

If a family gets an extra $500 or $1000 back in tax relief ( translation.... handout ) what is that really going to do? Most now don't spend responsibly and additional free income will just get spent on crap they don't need anyway.

It's only going to do one thing. Help the Chinese economy because of all the crap people will buy at Wal Mart with it.

so please don't attack Chris! he's is doing us a favor! and we all appreciate it! (well, most!)[/QUOTE]

How in the world can you say that I "attacked" Chris? At best, that's a poor choice of words. I just don't agree with his take on this. As for his authority level, I have no problem with Chris or any other moderator doing their job. But, this is a "forum", so I feel fairly comfortable expressing my feelings. If Chris feels I was out of line, my guess is that he will let me know.

so please don't attack Chris! he's is doing us a favor! and we all appreciate it! (well, most!)

How in the world can you say that I "attacked" Chris? At best, that's a poor choice of words. I just don't agree with his take on this. As for his authority level, I have no problem with Chris or any other moderator doing their job. But, this is a "forum", so I feel fairly comfortable expressing my feelings. If Chris feels I was out of line, my guess is that he will let me know.[/quote]


It's all good. My apologies. attack might have been strong. but then again, you'd have to ask Chris.

Okay, since this thread has been allowed to continue and is due to be discontinued at midnight, I would like to say a few more things.

First, the Republicans, through the media's spin and "Joe the Plumber" has twisted Obama's tax proposal all out of whack. McCain, in his desperation, tried to use FEAR to make up for his campaign's shortcomings and the media, (Fox News Network) in particular, continued to propagate a misconception. Obama has been saying all along that any INDIVIDUAL making more than $250,000.00 per year or more, will see a tax increase, individual's not business's. Individual's making less than $250,000.00 per year will see a tax cut. That's it!! Yes, other's in the Democratic party have misquoted his original income ceiling ($200,000, $150,000, $120,000) but Obama did not. If you don't make enough to have to pay taxes, you will see NOTHING! If you don't work and pay taxes, you will see NOTHING! He did not say he was going to take the profits from a tax increase and give it away to every Tom , **** and Harry in the country. Again, if you don't pay taxes in the first place you will see nothing. His suggestion on how to help the economy was much better than McCain's. In fact McCain spent so much time spinning and misleading us that I really don't know what he proposed to do.
Second, I want all to know that I have never been offended by anything said in this thread, even though I would have had reason to with some of the things that were said. I supported and voted for Obama, even in the primaries. Yes, I am a card carrying member of the Democratic Party and with the exception of 1980, when I was a "Reagan Democrat", have voted Democratic since 1972. I didn't vote for Obama primarily because of the color of his skin but I am extremely proud that he is an African American. My wife and I cried last night, tears of joy, pride and relief. My wife was born and raised in Selma, Alabama. She was present on the bridge on "Bloody Sunday". She marched from Selma to Montgomery and was assualted along the way. She is enshrined in the "Voting Rights Museum" in Selma where her hand prints are in concrete on the wall. She worshiped at Brown A.M.E. Chapel where Dr. King preached for years when in Selma. It would probably be hard for alot of you to understand the emotions that we experienced last night but let me say that after all the suffering our parents, grandparents and great-grandparents endured at the hands of "Jim Crow", it was a never before felt feeling of pride that our Constitution and Dr. King's dream really started to become a reality for us.

Again, I'm not trying to start a fight with anyone. I'm a peaceful, Christian individual. I just wanted to say few more things before this thread closes.

Thanx to the Mods and our "other" President for letting this thread continue, it felt good, as always to chat with my friends in the ARC and I pray that President Obama is able to do some good for our country any may he stay safe.

Amberjack, yes Senator Obama did state his cut off originally at 250,000 for individuals. He then reduced that down to 200,000. Followed by Joe Biden reducing further to 150,000, then again Biden said it would be 100,000.

For some reason I have a feeling that Obama will be a lame duck, empty suit, Carteresque type leader. He has promised the moon to the American people, and I'll be suprised if he delivers anything more than a mason jar full of firefly's. And it took a Carter administration to get us Reagan. So maybe it'll take an Obama administration to get a Second Great Awakening of the Conservative party.

I'll throw out the names of Bobby Jindal and Newt Gingrich for '12. Maybe a Jindal/Patreus ticket? I would have voted for Gingrich this time, if he would have been allowed to run. But because of McCain/Feingold and his involvement with American Solutions, he was not.

Okay, since this thread has been allowed to continue and is due to be discontinued at midnight, I would like to say a few more things.

First, the Republicans, through the media's spin and "Joe the Plumber" has twisted Obama's tax proposal all out of whack. McCain, in his desperation, tried to use FEAR to make up for his campaign's shortcomings and the media, (Fox News Network) in particular, continued to propagate a misconception. Obama has been saying all along that any INDIVIDUAL making more than $250,000.00 per year or more, will see a tax increase, individual's not business's. Individual's making less than $250,000.00 per year will see a tax cut. That's it!! Yes, other's in the Democratic party have misquoted his original income ceiling ($200,000, $150,000, $120,000) but Obama did not. If you don't make enough to have to pay taxes, you will see NOTHING! If you don't work and pay taxes, you will see NOTHING! He did not say he was going to take the profits from a tax increase and give it away to every Tom , **** and Harry in the country. Again, if you don't pay taxes in the first place you will see nothing. His suggestion on how to help the economy was much better than McCain's. In fact McCain spent so much time spinning and misleading us that I really don't know what he proposed to do.
Second, I want all to know that I have never been offended by anything said in this thread, even though I would have had reason to with some of the things that were said. I supported and voted for Obama, even in the primaries. Yes, I am a card carrying member of the Democratic Party and with the exception of 1980, when I was a "Reagan Democrat", have voted Democratic since 1972. I didn't vote for Obama primarily because of the color of his skin but I am extremely proud that he is an African American. My wife and I cried last night, tears of joy, pride and relief. My wife was born and raised in Selma, Alabama. She was present on the bridge on "Bloody Sunday". She marched from Selma to Montgomery and was assualted along the way. She is enshrined in the "Voting Rights Museum" in Selma where her hand prints are in concrete on the wall. She worshiped at Brown A.M.E. Chapel where Dr. King preached for years when in Selma. It would probably be hard for alot of you to understand the emotions that we experienced last night but let me say that after all the suffering our parents, grandparents and great-grandparents endured at the hands of "Jim Crow", it was a never before felt feeling of pride that our Constitution and Dr. King's dream really started to become a reality for us.

Again, I'm not trying to start a fight with anyone. I'm a peaceful, Christian individual. I just wanted to say few more things before this thread closes.

Thanx to the Mods and our "other" President for letting this thread continue, it felt good, as always to chat with my friends in the ARC and I pray that President Obama is able to do some good for our country any may he stay safe.


whoaa. I am not a Democrat, & I never was. I don't agree with a lot that the Democrats believe in, but Bush overspent his time, too! His first 4 years was spent protecting us from further attacks (and his last 4, too). His 1st 4 might go down as one of the greatest, his last 4, well, not very good. Congress wasn't da bomb either. With that said.

In response to your thread, AMEN! Very powerful, well stated, and just awesome. Thanks for sharing a very intimate history. I stated this before, but I didn't vote for Obama, but Congratulations! Very historical moment.

I would add that the media giants of NYT, LA, CBS, ABC, NBC, blah, blah, blah are all very liberal versus 1.

excellent thread, wouldn't you say?

excellent thread, wouldn't you say?

It's been civil. If you could remove some of the truly myopic posts it would be vastly improved.

I must agree the American dream is dead, at least the part of it that says "I will work hard and reach my goal"

Born in an inter-racial family in the midst of civil rights movement, ended up in a single parent house hold, with a run away father and mother on food stamps, get bounced around in early childhood, ending up raised by the grandparents, goes to an IVY league school, becomes the first African-American of a Harvard law, ends up in politics and becomes a president in just 4 years after plunging in to the national spotlight.... If you ask me HE IS THE AMERICAN DREAM..... nowhere in the world can this happen....

excellent thread, wouldn't you say?

Yes it was, Thanks to everyone who participated.:up:

nowhere in the world can this happen....Actually there is one place.

It's been civil. If you could remove some of the truly myopic posts it would be vastly improved.


each side of the political spectrum is going to generally believe that the other side is narrow minded. There will always be different points of view, but that doesn't make me or you any worse of a human being, now does it? (don't answer that! LOL)

Obama has been saying all along that any INDIVIDUAL making more than $250,000.00 per year or more, will see a tax increase, individual's not business's.

I agree this thread has been very civil in its discourse. :)

By the way, my business is an S corp, My profits are taxed on my Indivdual tax rate. So, if the Individual tax rates are increased, my business taxes are increased.

I could convert to a C corp, but then I will have to pay corporate taxes and then taxes again when I take my disbursement (i.e. pay) out of the company at my individual tax rate.

Most small businesses like mine are either sole prop., S corp, Partnerships, all of which are taxed as the individual owners income tax rate.

I am not arguing politics, I will give respect to the President regardless if we agree on issues or not. The office deserves the respect.

Thanks,
Tim

I agree this thread has been very civil in its discourse. :)

By the way, my business is an S corp, My profits are taxed on my Indivdual tax rate. So, if the Individual tax rates are increased, my business taxes are increased.

I could convert to a C corp, but then I will have to pay corporate taxes and then taxes again when I take my disbursement (i.e. pay) out of the company at my individual tax rate.

Most small businesses like mine are either sole prop., S corp, Partnerships, all of which are taxed as the individual owners income tax rate.

I am not arguing politics, I will give respect to the President regardless if we agree on issues or not. The office deserves the respect.

Thanks,
Tim

Good point Tim, I didn't know that.

What amazes me is that no one seems to realize that after the last 8 years of "fiscal conservatism" taxes were going to be raised no matter who won. It's almost exactly what happened to Bush I after RR's spend spend spend policies.

I keep telling this to everyone but no one agrees with me...

Good point Tim, I didn't know that.

I just figured I would bring it up. :)

I am glad you are happy about the election. I may not agree with Obama on a lot of things. I hope that good things can come about because of the election, but it will probably be business as usual in Washington no matter who is the President. :)

All I hope is the economy stabilizes and my taxes stay down so I can stay in business doing what I love.

each side of the political spectrum is going to generally believe that the other side is narrow minded. There will always be different points of view, but that doesn't make me or you any worse of a human being, now does it? (don't answer that! LOL)

True. However, to me it doesn't matter which side is spewing the bs it all pisses me off. The negative campaign ads, the sensationalist journalism(both sides), the fud...... ya'll can have it.

Actually there is one place.

Where?

Don't tell me peru or India...

I keep telling this to everyone but no one agrees with me...

Because they're freaking sheep. I swear the general public threw out common sense with the advent of color tv.

Where?

Don't tell me peru or India...



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I agree this thread has been very civil in its discourse. :)

By the way, my business is an S corp, My profits are taxed on my Indivdual tax rate. So, if the Individual tax rates are increased, my business taxes are increased.

I could convert to a C corp, but then I will have to pay corporate taxes and then taxes again when I take my disbursement (i.e. pay) out of the company at my individual tax rate.

Most small businesses like mine are either sole prop., S corp, Partnerships, all of which are taxed as the individual owners income tax rate.

I am not arguing politics, I will give respect to the President regardless if we agree on issues or not. The office deserves the respect.

Thanks,
Tim

Do you bring home 200 Grand? If so, would paying 6% more on the money you make over 200k make you go out of business?

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I guess I missed else?

Do you bring home 200 Grand? If so, would paying 6% more on the money you make over 200k make you go out of business?

Well, I would have to either raise my price 6% or cut 6% out. And if you take 200K at 6% that is 6 months of rent at my retail space. I could use that money to purchase new equipment for the store, increase my inventory to give my customers a better selection. Give Victor a raise. :) You know, all kinds of useful things.

Furthermore, as tight as things are right now, yes 6% could be the difference in paying bill or not paying bills.

Thanks,
Tim

...we will be subject to microstamping, mandatory gun registration

What is bad about these two things?

Well, I would have to either raise my price 6% or cut 6% out. And if you take 200K at 6% that is 6 months of rent at my retail space. I could use that money to purchase new equipment for the store, increase my inventory to give my customers a better selection. Give Victor a raise. :) You know, all kinds of useful things.

Furthermore, as tight as things are right now, yes 6% could be the difference in paying bill or not paying bills.

Thanks,
Tim

You didn't answer my questions.

And that is 6% OVER, not 6% OF, moreover if you give victor a raise that will be part of your expense not your income and wouldn't be in the calculation as to how the tax affects your business.....

What is bad about these two things?


That's just bs off of that stupid 10 point list the NRA put out. What else was on there? Obama voted to support a bill by Kennedy that restricted the use of armor piercing ammunition to the military and the police dept. The NRA turned around and said well some hunting rifle ammunition can pierce armor too so he really wants to ban hunting ammo.

You didn't answer my questions.

Actually I did. Because I do not have a magic crystal ball, I cannot predict what my economic forecast will be next year. I hope that the business makes over 200K. But I can't tell you if the 6% will or will not cause me to go under. Or maybe it will make me think, it isn't worth working my tail off and just close the doors.

In all reality, I "take home" a small portion of the profits. Just enough to squeak by on. So that extra money will have to directly come out of my share.

This is my final comment on this question. I guess we will have to agree that we don't agree on this subject. :)

Thanks,
Tim

What is bad about these two things?
2nd Amendment

SuAsati- Why is the government entitled to that money in the first place? Do the high income earners get more benefits than a low income earner. No. They get less.

All the government will do with more money is spend more money. We need to limit first and then reduce the size of the federal government. The goverment has done a great job of convincing us that what they spend is just government money. It's my money, it's your money, and it's Tim's money. I'm tired of it being wasted.

You didn't answer my questions.

And that is 6% OVER, not 6% OF, moreover if you give victor a raise that will be part of your expense not your income and wouldn't be in the calculation as to how the tax affects your business.....

Well you must have edited after I quoted and started typing. Actually it would be 6% of Gross profits which is revenue minus cost of goods sold. Not Net Profits which would be after expenses.

I probably shouldn't post in a thread I'm moderating, but I'd like to share my opinion. It's all getting closed in 2.5hrs anyway. I'll just walk a careful line here...

I'm generally republican (but not neocon, rather bordering on libertarian). I commend Obama on an excellent campaign- very few errors to speak of, and has convinced a lot of people that he can actually bring change. Can he? I'm not sure, although I certainly hope so- it's no secret that the country needs someone in Washington to stir things up. I don't agree with a number of his ideas (taxation, healthcare, energy policy, a couple others), but some things were bound to change at some point, and I think he may be capable.

The Republicans didn't cause the markets to crash anymore than the Democrats caused the markets to spike in 2000 - there are plenty of factors that happen outside of the oval office, and the president's decisions only slightly affects the economy. Lack of foresight, of course, is another issue. My point is that Obama won't be able to magically rescue the economy - it's just not a big knob on the president's desk for him to turn.

The biggest issue that concerns me (and the primary reason I voted for McCain) is the majority democratic congress and now executive office. There's a reason that the government is setup the way it is- it's to balance power, and when any one party (be it Repub, Dem, or otherwise) has all the control, it's dangerous for the common good. My personal preference would have been to see Obama as president and a republican congress, but it just didn't happen.

One really positive thing I see for Obama is the perspective of the rest of the world. Whether people like it or not, globalization is a reality. GWBush is a joke, and the US thus is a joke. Even though the president has only limited power, he's seen as the representative of the US. I'm optimistic that our image in the world will turn for the better during his term(s).

Lastly, while I think it's a historic moment that a black man will now be president, I think it's still a race issue. If Obama would have been elected and no one had paid attention to his skin color, THEN we've broken out of the racial mindset. One step at a time...

BTW- I think the truly historic moment is this political thread that has gone over 200 posts in less than 24 hours and has remained civil! :)

SuAsati- Why is the government entitled to that money in the first place? Do the high income earners get more benefits than a low income earner. No. They get less.

All the government will do with more money is spend more money. We need to limit first and then reduce the size of the federal government. The goverment has done a great job of convincing us that what they spend is just government money. It's my money, it's your money, and it's Tim's money. I'm tired of it being wasted.
Well said.

My point is that Obama won't be able to magically rescue the economy - it's just not a big knob on the president's desk for him to turn.

Bush had one of those knobs. It was right next to his racist hurricane machine.

SuAsati- Why is the government entitled to that money in the first place? Do the high income earners get more benefits than a low income earner. No. They get less.


People have to pay taxes.... Progressive taxation was introduced by a republican... If you don't agree with that, find a country that has flat taxes and does as good as US we can chat further...


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All the government will do with more money is spend more money. We need to limit first and then reduce the size of the federal government. The goverment has done a great job of convincing us that what they spend is just government money. It's my money, it's your money, and it's Tim's money. I'm tired of it being wasted.[/quote]

More money? How do you propose that we get rid of the 10 trillion dollar debt? cut 16 billion in pork every year?... That goes back to the previous point made... brace yourself every ones taxes are going to up.... This whole small business magic trick is just that, a sham to bolster a predisposition nothing more nothing less...

Who said they are getting rid of that debt? Clinton "helped" the economy and couldn't get rid of it. Maybe with the socialist tax plans Nobama can.

BTW- I think the truly historic moment is this political thread that has gone over 200 posts in less than 24 hours and has remained civil! :)

+! :thumbs:

I supported Mcain all the way, but congrats to Obama; this should pave the way for my son to be president on day :D

I feel that the rest of the world will "Test" us with Obama at the helm; he'll have to prove he's not weak.

I don't like income taxes at all, not one bit- give me the fair tax; a consumption tax is the only way to go!

that's all I have to say about that.

Well you must have edited after I quoted and started typing. Actually it would be 6% of Gross profits which is revenue minus cost of goods sold. Not Net Profits which would be after expenses.

Yes right and you pay your taxes on your gross profit without deductions right?....

Who said they are getting rid of that debt? Clinton "helped" the economy and couldn't get rid of it. Maybe with the socialist tax plans Nobama can.



ROFLMAO

Who said they are getting rid of that debt? Clinton "helped" the economy and couldn't get rid of it. Maybe with the socialist tax plans Nobama can.

Clinton balanced the budget.... that is the first step towards getting rid of the debt...

Who said they are getting rid of that debt? Clinton "helped" the economy and couldn't get rid of it. Maybe with the socialist tax plans Nobama can.

To his credit, the national debt under Clinton dropped (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms) - the only time since WWII. If the economy had stayed the same, it was projected to pay off the debt at that time in 10 years.

Did I hear something about a fair tax? That's one of the main reason I voted for Huckabee during the primaries. But the fair tax would never go over in this country, it just makes too much sense.

And to what is wrong with microstamping? It's chipping away at a held value of this country. The second amendment gives you the right to choose, gun owner or victim.

I believe in the constitution, I am a constructionist. I believe in small government, states rights, and the likes. I hear the words "Patriot" and "Act" in the same sentence and I get a chill down my spine.

Hell, the second amendment is not the only one under attack. Have you paid any attention to the fairness doctrine? Do you know anything of the McCain/Feingold Campaign Finance bill?

I'm not just fighting for my guns, but I'm fighting for the American way of life.

I probably shouldn't post in a thread I'm moderating, but I'd like to share my opinion. It's all getting closed in 2.5hrs anyway. I'll just walk a careful line here...

I'm generally republican (but not neocon, rather bordering on libertarian). I commend Obama on an excellent campaign- very few errors to speak of, and has convinced a lot of people that he can actually bring change. Can he? I'm not sure, although I certainly hope so- it's no secret that the country needs someone in Washington to stir things up. I don't agree with a number of his ideas (taxation, healthcare, energy policy, a couple others), but some things were bound to change at some point, and I think he may be capable.

The Republicans didn't cause the markets to crash anymore than the Democrats caused the markets to spike in 2000 - there are plenty of factors that happen outside of the oval office, and the president's decisions only slightly affects the economy. Lack of foresight, of course, is another issue. My point is that Obama won't be able to magically rescue the economy - it's just not a big knob on the president's desk for him to turn.

The biggest issue that concerns me (and the primary reason I voted for McCain) is the majority democratic congress and now executive office. There's a reason that the government is setup the way it is- it's to balance power, and when any one party (be it Repub, Dem, or otherwise) has all the control, it's dangerous for the common good. My personal preference would have been to see Obama as president and a republican congress, but it just didn't happen.

One really positive thing I see for Obama is the perspective of the rest of the world. Whether people like it or not, globalization is a reality. GWBush is a joke, and the US thus is a joke. Even though the president has only limited power, he's seen as the representative of the US. I'm optimistic that our image in the world will turn for the better during his term(s).

Lastly, while I think it's a historic moment that a black man will now be president, I think it's still a race issue. If Obama would have been elected and no one had paid attention to his skin color, THEN we've broken out of the racial mindset. One step at a time...

BTW- I think the truly historic moment is this political thread that has gone over 200 posts in less than 24 hours and has remained civil! :)


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One really positive thing I see for Obama is the perspective of the rest of the world. Whether people like it or not, globalization is a reality. GWBush is a joke, and the US thus is a joke. Even though the president has only limited power, he's seen as the representative of the US. I'm optimistic that our image in the world will turn for the better during his term(s).


I could not have said it better myself...Mojo you are truly a good sport with a valid optimistic point that more Republicans should grasp.

Obama-
He voted against banning partial birth abortion.
He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.
Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.
In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing.
Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.
Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.
His religious convictions are very murky.
He is willing to meet, unconditionally with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.
Opposed the Patriot Act.
First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform.
Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.
Supports universal health care.
Voted Yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
Supports granting drivers licenses to illegal immigrants.
Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.
Voted Yes on comprehensive immigration reform. Would result in 20 million instant citizens never having paid SS, many refusing to speak English, immediately sending for their 40 to 50 million extended relatives telling them not to wait and obey the laws, the once mighty USA is theirs for the taking.
Voted Yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
Wants to make the minimum wage a ‘living wage’.
Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.
Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid.
He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax.
He voted No on repealing the ‘Death’ Tax.
He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.
Has never served in the military and has never visited Afghanistan, and hasn’t bothered to visit Iraq since Jan. of 2006.
He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today
Is a notorious gun grabber, he wants to completely disarm the American population and is a total supporter of ALL anti-gun legislation.

Ace i was under the impression that microstamping was just a way to keep guns regulated and out of the hands of theives, which would seem like a positive thing. Trigga aren't you 15?

I have to agree with Mojo and say the president dosn't have as much control on the economy as one would think. The knob on his desk is just a placebo. Its really just an easy button from stapples

Im 16, Does that mean that I can no longer voice my opinion?

Ace i was under the impression that microstamping was just a way to keep guns regulated and out of the hands of theives, which would seem like a positive thing. Trigga aren't you 15?There is nothing you can do to keep the guns out of the hands of criminals. Even if you outlawed them criminals have been known to break the law.

Im 16, Does that mean that I can no longer voice my opinion?


I think it means your fish got crushed by a rock too. :lol2:

I still cant get over the fact that people can overlook Obamas connections to people like Ayres,etc.It scares the crap out of Me.If He were trying to get a Federal job He couldnt even get security clearance but can be the president,WTF..I do wish He succeeds and can do some good for the country but I am very optomistic.Hope I`m wrong.

Im 16, Does that mean that I can no longer voice my opinion?


well.................since you can't vote...............but anyway, it's always good to remember who is behind some of these user names especially since you are a minor. That wasn't toward you, but rather toward us.

Yes right and you pay your taxes on your gross profit without deductions right?....

Deductions only go so far. You ever hear of the AMT, Alternative Minimum Tax? It got me the past 2 years in a row. I was a 1099 in the IT field, I traveled a lot and had a lot of legit business deductions. But, I couldn't use them all and i lost about 50% of these legit deductions.

I am tired of the government and people wanting my money. I work my *** off for it. I always have. I came from a poor family, single mother making $125 a week in the early 80's. I am trying to climb up the ladder to be succesful, not filthy rich, just to live a good life. And everytime I try, it is just give a little more.

I think it means your fish got crushed by a rock too. :lol2:
Not getting it, My fish really did get crushed by a rock.

I think it means your fish got crushed by a rock too. :lol2:


lmao!

I really never get into blogs and discussions like this, but I feel that the American Dream isn't Dead in my eyes like most of you do. I feel that the dream was been put on hold several years ago when we started a fight with the wrong enemy and our kids are thousand of miles away as we speak with there dreams on hold. The President is the symbol of hope this country needs at this present moment. Our takes hold have been raised either way..:eek:

I still cant get over the fact that people can overlook Obamas connections to people like Ayres,etc.It scares the crap out of Me.

There are pictures of Bush senior shaking hands with Sadaam Huessein in the 80's...whats that all about?

apologize for the spelling.

Not getting it, My fish really did get crushed by a rock.

What was your fish doing playing with rocks?

Ace i was under the impression that microstamping was just a way to keep guns regulated and out of the hands of theives, which would seem like a positive thing. Trigga aren't you 15?

Guns will never be out of the hands of criminals. And if they ever run out of guns, they'll turn to knives, clubs, go on down the list.

Gun control does not work. Looks in parts of the world, heck look in parts of our country with the greatest restrictions on firearms. Have crime rates fallen drastically due to the prohibition of firearms? No.

Washington D.C. has one of the highest murder rates in the country, and they've had a ban on weapons since '77. Things are turning in the favor of those pro 2A, with the decision of Heller vs D.C.

Did the assault weapons ban magically fix things? No, but this next president sees fit to reinstate it.

The police have no duty to protect you as an individual, see Warren vs D.C.
The best thing you can do is to protect yourself. And the less loopholes to arming and defending yourself the better.

Remember, when seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

I really never get into blogs and discussions like this, but I feel that the American Dream isn't Dead in my eyes like most of you do. I feel that the dream was been put on hold several years ago when we started a fight with the wrong enemy and our kids are thousand of miles away as we speak with there dreams on hold. The President is the symbol of hope this country needs at this present moment. Our takes hold have been raised either way..:eek:


yeah, we should have stayed out of Europe, too, & let England, France, Poland and the rest fend for themselves. That was thousands of miles away!