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TriGa22
11-05-2008, 9:18 PM
well.................since you can't vote...............but anyway, it's always good to remember who is behind some of these user names especially since you are a minor. That wasn't toward you, but rather toward us.
So I cannot vote, I do vote next time around. Is it illegal for me to get into politics? Everywhere I go since I am a minor I get looked down upon, because I cannot vote. I am a future voter and I am very interested in politics. My parents call me the family politician. I'm not calling anyone out, but to me I am proud of having an interest into politics. More than half of the voters out there cannot even spell obamas name but vote for him. A lot of young kids voted for him and its sad, because they cannot even name one of his accomplishments, they voted for him because he is on the news.

TriGa22
11-05-2008, 9:19 PM
What was your fish doing playing with rocks?
It fell on him. I dont know? I love how this is a huge joke to you guys. Not that the fish died but every comment.

Akopley
11-05-2008, 9:19 PM
Obama-
He voted against banning partial birth abortion.
He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.
Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.
In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing.
Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.
Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.
His religious convictions are very murky.
He is willing to meet, unconditionally with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.
Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.
Opposed the Patriot Act.
First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform.
Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.
Supports universal health care.
Voted Yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.
Supports granting drivers licenses to illegal immigrants.
Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.
Voted Yes on comprehensive immigration reform. Would result in 20 million instant citizens never having paid SS, many refusing to speak English, immediately sending for their 40 to 50 million extended relatives telling them not to wait and obey the laws, the once mighty USA is theirs for the taking.
Voted Yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.
Wants to make the minimum wage a ‘living wage’.
Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.
Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid.
He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax.
He voted No on repealing the ‘Death’ Tax.
He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.
Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.
Has never served in the military and has never visited Afghanistan, and hasn’t bothered to visit Iraq since Jan. of 2006.
He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today
Is a notorious gun grabber, he wants to completely disarm the American population and is a total supporter of ALL anti-gun legislation.

stop copy and pasting emails you get from your parents...i know you didn't just type all that.

mysterybox
11-05-2008, 9:20 PM
So I cannot vote, I do vote next time around. Is it illegal for me to get into politics? Everywhere I go since I am a minor I get looked down upon, because I cannot vote. I am a future voter and I am very interested in politics. My parents call me the family politician. I'm not calling anyone out, but to me I am proud of having an interest into politics. More than half of the voters out there cannot even spell obamas name but vote for him. A lot of young kids voted for him and its sad, because they cannot even name one of his accomplishments, they voted for him because he is on the news.


no, it's all good! we just need to realize that it's a family forum, too!

Akopley
11-05-2008, 9:20 PM
yeah, we should have stayed out of Europe, too, & let England, France, Poland and the rest fend for themselves. That was thousands of miles away!

we did stay out of that war...until they bombed pearl harbor. Booo YA!

Ace of Spades
11-05-2008, 9:20 PM
stop copy and pasting emails you get from your parents...i know you didn't just type all that.

But if the glove fits....

Ace of Spades
11-05-2008, 9:21 PM
we did stay out of that war...until they bombed pearl harbor. Booo YA!

They being the Japanse of course.

Or Germans if you're a Belushi fan.

johnr2604
11-05-2008, 9:21 PM
yeah, we should have stayed out of Europe, too, & let England, France, Poland and the rest fend for themselves. That was thousands of miles away!Wow Ralph and when I thought I had you figured out you go and make alot of comments in this thread that make alot of sense.

mysterybox
11-05-2008, 9:22 PM
Let's leave Tyler alone! Please! too easy!

thedeper
11-05-2008, 9:22 PM
Is anyone watchin South Park...HA

mysterybox
11-05-2008, 9:23 PM
we did stay out of that war...until they bombed pearl harbor. Booo YA!


that was Japan, rocket scientist!
just playin'

TriGa22
11-05-2008, 9:24 PM
stop copy and pasting emails you get from your parents...i know you didn't just type all that.
Why type when I can just copy the facts. And its not from my parents, helpstopobama.com.

TriGa22
11-05-2008, 9:25 PM
Please dont leave me alone. Im here all night, Im ready to go. BRING IT ON!

tim8111
11-05-2008, 9:26 PM
BTW- I think the truly historic moment is this political thread that has gone over 200 posts in less than 24 hours and has remained civil! :)

Might hit 300 and still be a civil thread. :)

I also agree with a lot of the staments you made Chris.

mysterybox
11-05-2008, 9:26 PM
Please dont leave me alone. Im here all night, Im ready to go. BRING IT ON!


ummm, Let's find out from Barbra when your bedtime is? ok? chill!

theplatypus
11-05-2008, 9:28 PM
More than half of the voters out there cannot even spell obamas name but vote for him.

What's your point? Aren't you supposed to use capital letters for proper nouns and apostrophes to denote possession?

A lot of young kids voted for him and its sad, because they cannot even name one of his accomplishments, they voted for him because he is on the news.

When did they start letting kids vote?



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TriGa22
11-05-2008, 9:29 PM
Thats cute, With obama as president all of the bedtimes will be the same, if I stay up to long its not fair because some people have go to bed at 7.

TriGa22
11-05-2008, 9:29 PM
More than half of the voters out there cannot even spell obamas name but vote for him.

What's your point? Aren't you supposed to use capital letters for proper nouns and apostrophes to denote possession?

A lot of young kids voted for him and its sad, because they cannot even name one of his accomplishments, they voted for him because he is on the news.

When did they start letting kids vote?



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Sorry, teenagers. Your punctuation doesn't look much better, and you have been through school.

Ace of Spades
11-05-2008, 9:30 PM
Thats cute, With obama as president all of the bedtimes will be the same, if I stay up to long its not fair because some people have go to bed at 7.

Nope, he will make you stay up 2 hours longer. And give those 2 hours of sleep to someone less fortunate.

Akopley
11-05-2008, 9:31 PM
helpstopobama.com sounds like it might be a slightly biased source of information.

Steve
11-05-2008, 9:31 PM
Oh guys don't hate on tyler cause he's a youngin. He'll be voting soon and probably paying your social security payments to you in 20-30 years.

And I can get this moved to RnC pretty quickly if you want me too...

johnr2604
11-05-2008, 9:32 PM
Oh guys don't hate on tyler cause he's a youngin. He'll be voting soon and probably paying your social security payments to you in 20-30 years.

And I can get this moved to RnC pretty quickly if you want me too...You dont honestly believe that social security will last that long do you?

theplatypus
11-05-2008, 9:33 PM
And I can get this moved to RnC pretty quickly if you want me too...


And what would that accomplish?

nickskains
11-05-2008, 9:33 PM
It will end up there soon.... people are getting close to the line with some of their jabs.....

TriGa22
11-05-2008, 9:34 PM
Nope, he will make you stay up 2 hours longer. And give those 2 hours of sleep to someone less fortunate.
Thats right, I'm sorry my facts are from a biased source. But CNN, ABC, and CNBC are not biased at all.

thedeper
11-05-2008, 9:34 PM
What is RnC? The place where naughty threads go to be put to rest I take it?

Acura_Rob
11-05-2008, 9:36 PM
I think your missing the point. The point is the American Dream will not die because taxes are raised a little. People are just talking out of anger right now. The taxes we pay now are directed in towards many things. I don't worry about who I help when I pay taxes. I just know that it help people and i'm for that. I think if people really wanna vent they should go on the ajc website they have a blog all about this topic. I think we as a club need to stick together because this can cause some bad blood between member.

johnr2604
11-05-2008, 9:36 PM
What is RnC? The place where naughty threads go to be put to rest I take it?Believe me they dont rest there.

TriGa22
11-05-2008, 9:37 PM
What is RnC? The place where naughty threads go to be put to rest I take it?
Don't forget you have to add a "Death" tax on top of that.

Ace of Spades
11-05-2008, 9:38 PM
I think your missing the point. The point is the American Dream will not die because taxes are raised a little. People are just talking out of anger right now. The taxes we pay now are directed in towards many things. I don't worry about who I help when I pay taxes. I just know that it help people and i'm for that. I think if people really wanna vent they should go on the ajc website they have a blog all about this topic. I think we as a club need to stick together because this can cause some bad blood between member.

I understand what you're saying. The very issue of raising taxes is not an axe to the American Dream.

But what is, is this idea of redistribution of wealth. Why should I work hard, when things are handed to me?

This idea of Robin Hood and his merry men, is not a noble cause in my book in this country.

Amici
11-05-2008, 9:38 PM
You dont honestly believe that social security will last that long do you?

Last projection I saw was 2017 for SS and 2049 for Medicare. This was coming from a governmental budgetary specialist. :eek:

Steve
11-05-2008, 9:38 PM
haha very true john, I do not believe it is.

But here's a quote I read earlier.

Rhetorical ability is so very important in politics. Obama has it, McCain does not. Smooth talkers win at single's bars and in politics .. often with similar outcomes for the listener.

TriGa22
11-05-2008, 9:40 PM
Why should I work hard, when things are handed to me?
Exactly what the mentality will be. Now more and more people will be paid to sit around all day.

mojo
11-05-2008, 9:42 PM
He voted against banning partial birth abortion.
He voted no on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions.

Ok, so what's the whole story? Typically things like this aren't on bills by themselves, but part of a very lengthy bill. Later, it's taken out of context to make someone look like they don't care. (*)

Supports affirmative action in Colleges and Government.

Most politicians do.

In 2001 he questioned harsh penalties for drug dealing.

See my first comment.

Says he will deal with street level drug dealing as a minimum wage affair.

Meaning?

Admitted marijuana and cocaine use in high school and in college.

I'd wager that 50% or more of people have used marijuana in their life. The fact that he admitted it just means that he's more honest than most.

His religious convictions are very murky.

Only if you don't research them.

He is willing to meet, unconditionally with Fidel Castro, Hugo Chavez, Kim Jung Il and Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

Great. I'm glad that someone has the gonads to sit down with them. If ti weren't unconditional, most in that list probably wouldn't sit down, either...

Has said that one of his first goals after being elected would be to have a conference with all Muslim nations.

Great. Maybe something more positive will come from it, rather than making up things like WMD and invading a country.

Opposed the Patriot Act.

Really? I wasn't aware of that, but if I had known, he would have probably gotten my vote. I think the Patriot Act was one of the single worst attacks on American civil liberties in our history. I think it's an abomination that doesn't get enough attention. Kudos for him to not support it.

First bill he signed that was passed was campaign finance reform.

Great- I think campaigns need to be limited, too- otherwise, only the wealthy can ever hold office.

Voted No on prohibiting law suits against gun manufacturers.

Without a tort legal system, gun manufacturers could get away with... well... murder...

Supports universal health care.

I highly disagree with universal health care, but I'm not sure why this makes him a bad person.

Voted Yes on providing habeas corpus for Guantanamo detainees.

I think this is great. Just because people are being detained doesn't mean they aren't entitled to due process of law. The US should be a model for the world, and that includes providing our criminals with similar rights as our everyday citizens.

Supports granting drivers licenses to illegal immigrants.

I don't agree with this, but again, I'm not sure why this makes him a bad person. See my first comment yet again.


Supports extending welfare to illegal immigrants.

See my first comment. I'd like to see something backing this up.

Voted Yes on comprehensive immigration reform. Would result in 20 million instant citizens never having paid SS, many refusing to speak English, immediately sending for their 40 to 50 million extended relatives telling them not to wait and obey the laws, the once mighty USA is theirs for the taking.

Seems a little blown out of proportion for the topic of "immigration reform". References, please.

Voted Yes on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security.

What's wrong with this? You don't get money until you pay in a certain amount. Again, references...


Wants to make the minimum wage a ‘living wage’.

There are pros and cons to changing the minimum wage.

Voted with Democratic Party 96 percent of 251 votes.

Shocking. He's a Democrat. Here's another news flash - most Republican canidates have voted Republican while in office...

Opposed to any efforts to Privatize Social Security and instead supports increasing the amount of tax paid.

He's a democrat... that's typical for the party.

He voted No on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax.
He voted No on repealing the ‘Death’ Tax.
He wants to raise the Capital Gains Tax.

See my first comment again. For example, I'd be for reform of the AMT and death tax, but that's not repealing.

Has repeatedly said the surge in Iraq has not succeeded.

We're still over there...

Has never served in the military and has never visited Afghanistan, and hasn’t bothered to visit Iraq since Jan. of 2006.

Neither have I, but I'm pretty sure I know I want our troops home and the war to be over with. There are generals that will be directly under him with much more experience than he'll ever have.

He is ranked as the most liberal Senator in the Senate today

And apparently at least 53% of the population is ok with that kind of change.

Is a notorious gun grabber, he wants to completely disarm the American population and is a total supporter of ALL anti-gun legislation.

What he wants to do and what congress will pass are two different things.


I'm a conservative, and I don't see what the problem is with almost all of these. This just looks like your typical fearmongering by yet another ignorant website (or a website for people who don't want to think for themselves).

theplatypus
11-05-2008, 9:42 PM
I'm beginning to think that you were one of the kids in Jesus Camp.

TriGa22
11-05-2008, 9:43 PM
I would love to rant on and on about this but Obama said its about time for me to go to bed. I have school tomorrow and I would like to make something of myself and not be paid by Obama to do nothing.

johnr2604
11-05-2008, 9:43 PM
I think your missing the point. The point is the American Dream will not die because taxes are raised a little. People are just talking out of anger right now. The taxes we pay now are directed in towards many things. I don't worry about who I help when I pay taxes. I just know that it help people and i'm for that. I think if people really wanna vent they should go on the ajc website they have a blog all about this topic. I think we as a club need to stick together because this can cause some bad blood between member.It would be a different story if thats all taxes were used for but they are also spent on pork and things that dont matter to your average Joe. I feel that there will only be bad blood if you let there be. As I stated in the second post on this thread Although I dont agree with Obama's policy I will respect him as president. I also consider amberjack a friend and just because he might have different political views than me it dosn't change that. :cheers:

SuAsati
11-05-2008, 9:46 PM
Deductions only go so far. You ever hear of the AMT, Alternative Minimum Tax? It got me the past 2 years in a row. I was a 1099 in the IT field, I traveled a lot and had a lot of legit business deductions. But, I couldn't use them all and i lost about 50% of these legit deductions.

I am tired of the government and people wanting my money. I work my *** off for it. I always have. I came from a poor family, single mother making $125 a week in the early 80's. I am trying to climb up the ladder to be succesful, not filthy rich, just to live a good life. And everytime I try, it is just give a little more.

Oh!!! now it is AMT? I have been doing 1099 for a long time, so please don't be sarcastic, As a small business you get to deduct a lot more than someone would as a full time employee making the same amount of money.

tim8111
11-05-2008, 9:48 PM
It would be a different story if thats all taxes were used for but they are also spent on pork and things that dont matter to your average Joe. I feel that there will only be bad blood if you let there be. As I stated in the second post on this thread Although I dont agree with Obama's policy I will respect him as president. I also consider amberjack a friend and just because he might have different political views than me it dosn't change that. :cheers:

Well Said. I agree Amberjack is an outstanding gentleman and I have enjoyed all my dealings with him. As I have with almost all the great ARC members on this website.

johnr2604
11-05-2008, 9:49 PM
Oh!!! now it is AMT? I have been doing 1099 for a long time, so please don't be sarcastic, As a small business you get to deduct a lot more than someone would as a full time employee making the same amount of money.But without the expense of being self employed. There are a ton of ways to look at it and nobody is wrong just depends how good your tax person is LOL

MvM
11-05-2008, 9:50 PM
I would love to rant on and on about this but Obama said its about time for me to go to bed. I have school tomorrow and I would like to make something of myself and not be paid by Obama to do nothing.
Tyler is 15 and, although he copies and pastes a lot if info (and regurgitates what his parents say), isn't it pretty impressive that a 15 year old can talk more intelligently than several people that have posted in this thread?
JMO.

Ace of Spades
11-05-2008, 9:52 PM
Anyone catch President Bush's speech today? Pretty good stuff. I thought it showed real character.

tim8111
11-05-2008, 9:53 PM
Oh!!! now it is AMT? I have been doing 1099 for a long time, so please don't be sarcastic, As a small business you get to deduct a lot more than someone would as a full time employee making the same amount of money.

I wasn't being sarcastic. I also have a lot more taxes to pay than someone who is full time. Like SEP and 7.5% more in Social security, since the employer doesn't match the contributions of 1099 employees.

Acura_Rob
11-05-2008, 9:55 PM
Im glad that people are finding the time to write about this issue of the presidency, But we really need to focus on the fact that there will be ignorant people trying to kill this man because of his race and only because of his race. We need to come together as a people and pray we can keep this man alive. The country will be divided if something happens to him. WE WILL TAKE TEN STEPS BACK AND CHOAS WILL FLOOD THE STREETS LIKE NEVER BEFORE. THIS CAN REALLY CAUSE THE BIGGEST WAR WE'VE EVER SEEN.

Akopley
11-05-2008, 9:55 PM
Tyler is 15 and, although he copies and pastes a lot if info (and regurgitates what his parents say), isn't it pretty impressive that a 15 year old can talk more intelligently than several people that have posted in this thread?
JMO.

Agreed. The force is strong with this one...even though i don't agree with anything he is saying.

theplatypus
11-05-2008, 9:56 PM
Anyone catch President Bush's speech today? Pretty good stuff. I thought it showed real character.



Yeah that speech writer really shined through.

MvM
11-05-2008, 9:56 PM
Do you bring home 200 Grand? If so, would paying 6% more on the money you make over 200k make you go out of business?
Am I wrong in saying the new mark is just over $100,000?

MvM
11-05-2008, 9:59 PM
Im glad that people are finding the time to write about this issue of the presidency, But we really need to focus on the fact that there will be ignorant people trying to kill this man because of his race and only because of his race. We need to come together as a people and pray we can keep this man alive. The country will be divided if something happens to him. WE WILL TAKE TEN STEPS BACK AND CHOAS WILL FLOOD THE STREETS LIKE NEVER BEFORE. THIS CAN REALLY CAUSE THE BIGGEST WAR WE'VE EVER SEEN.
...

Ace of Spades
11-05-2008, 10:00 PM
Im glad that people are finding the time to write about this issue of the presidency, But we really need to focus on the fact that there will be ignorant people trying to kill this man because of his race and only because of his race. We need to come together as a people and pray we can keep this man alive. The country will be divided if something happens to him. WE WILL TAKE TEN STEPS BACK AND CHOAS WILL FLOOD THE STREETS LIKE NEVER BEFORE. THIS CAN REALLY CAUSE THE BIGGEST WAR WE'VE EVER SEEN.

Yes, but then again. There are always those folks who want to do harm to others. That kind of hatred knows no racial divide. It's on all sides of the fence/fences. It's been going on for thousands of years.

Akopley
11-05-2008, 10:00 PM
Im glad that people are finding the time to write about this issue of the presidency, But we really need to focus on the fact that there will be ignorant people trying to kill this man because of his race and only because of his race. We need to come together as a people and pray we can keep this man alive. The country will be divided if something happens to him. WE WILL TAKE TEN STEPS BACK AND CHOAS WILL FLOOD THE STREETS LIKE NEVER BEFORE. THIS CAN REALLY CAUSE THE BIGGEST WAR WE'VE EVER SEEN.

Well thats just silly. How is rioting in the streets the solution to mourning the death of a president? Ignorant people will use whatever excuse they can to steal and destroy other peoples property. I agree that riots will happen if Obama is killed but only *** holes are going to be the ones doing it.

theplatypus
11-05-2008, 10:01 PM
Am I wrong in saying the new mark is just over $100,000?


I've never seen it anywhere other than internet message boards. Although, I believe there is a scheduled IRS tax increase, but it doesn't have anything to do with Obama.

Gwhiz
11-05-2008, 10:02 PM
Less than an hour to go......:D

Ace of Spades
11-05-2008, 10:03 PM
As soon as the Bush tax cuts are repealed, taxes will increase. Barring the new tax cuts are retroactive to January 1st.

SuAsati
11-05-2008, 10:03 PM
I wasn't being sarcastic. I also have a lot more taxes to pay than someone who is full time. Like SEP and 7.5% more in Social security, since the employer doesn't match the contributions of 1099 employees.

That's why your wages are higher on a 1099 on the same job scope. In the same stretch, after you top the FICA you get to keep 15%, so what? that is capitalism... As a full time employes once I cap I don;t see the extra 7.5% now do I? There are ups and downs to everything...
My point was somehow paying a few more in taxes for a small business that makes over 250K would destroy them is just plain bogus. They may not like to pay more, but it ain't going to destroy them.

MvM
11-05-2008, 10:06 PM
So what exactly does reduced profits via taxation mean??? Increased prices eventually, right?

MvM
11-05-2008, 10:07 PM
Hey Tim,
The IRS just gobbled up 2 months of rent. What do you do????? Lower your prices?

SuAsati
11-05-2008, 10:09 PM
Am I wrong in saying the new mark is just over $100,000?

Yes, According to the plan published, remember what is published doesn't mean it is going to be in effect... 250K for families and 200K for individuals....

Ace of Spades
11-05-2008, 10:09 PM
Well, its been fun. But I must leave work and head home.

If there's anything to be left said it's this, if you're happy the way things are going, keep voting for it. If you're unhappy, vote to change things. God, or Jehovah, or whomever you hold as your high power, has given us this great nation. And this nation has given us our voice to vote. The masses have been heard in this election. But it doesn't stop here. Hold your local officials accountable, call your congressmen/women. Keep fighting the good fight.

So best of luck to this nation and it's people. And congratulations to President-elect Obama. Again I'll say, I respect the office of President, and so I respect him.

Acura_Rob
11-05-2008, 10:10 PM
Really do you understand that this election is bigger than the U.S. This can be a World War. Did people watch CNN and see people all over the world crying like there from American? I live in the greatest nation in the world. When I start feeling like its not the same nation, i'll move somewhere else. I love everyone as a people equally. Im from New York, I grew up with every race around me. It hurts to read some of my fellow reefers views, I hope everyone can focus on change in the future. I respect all of you and wish you all the best.

MvM
11-05-2008, 10:13 PM
That's why your wages are higher on a 1099 on the same job scope. In the same stretch, after you top the FICA you get to keep 15%, so what? that is capitalism... As a full time employes once I cap I don;t see the extra 7.5% now do I? There are ups and downs to everything...
My point was somehow paying a few more in taxes for a small business that makes over 250K would destroy them is just plain bogus. They may not like to pay more, but it ain't going to destroy them.
So a reduction in profit does not mean increases in consumer pricing? That's rediculous. The more expenses (i.e. taxes) a business has, the more their profits shrink. The reduction in profits results in an increase in price. Pretty simple, huh?

MvM
11-05-2008, 10:15 PM
Really do you understand that this election is bigger than the U.S. This can be a World War. Did people watch CNN and see people all over the world crying like there from American? I live in the greatest nation in the world. When I start feeling like its not the same nation, i'll move somewhere else. I love everyone as a people equally. Im from New York, I grew up with every race around me. It hurts to read some of my fellow reefers views, I hope everyone can focus on change in the future. I respect all of you and wish you all the best.
I just can't respond to this.....I tried, but I can't.

Steve
11-05-2008, 10:16 PM
Is CNN the only new program you watch? It's surely biased to the left, but FOX is also biased to the right, watch both and get a mix, don't base everything you believe off of what the anchors on CNN are saying. It is in fact the Clinton News Network.

I grew up in Kennesaw, with every race around me. I went to North Cobb High School, with every race around me, what makes me different than you?

How does it hurt for you to read other reefers views? Is it wrong or illegal for them to believe what is opposite of you? Is that really a problem, look past that and actually get to know them, most if not all are good people.

Don't judge them for what they say or do here, as it is only a message board. Get to know them outside of here and you see their true colors. You can't talk smack on the internet.

That was, in a majority to you, Rob. I know you and you're a good dude, but I believe that McCain was the better choice. Does that change your opinion on me? I hope not.

Amici
11-05-2008, 10:17 PM
Really do you understand that this election is bigger than the U.S. This can be a World War. Did people watch CNN and see people all over the world crying like there from American? I live in the greatest nation in the world. When I start feeling like its not the same nation, i'll move somewhere else. I love everyone as a people equally. Im from New York, I grew up with every race around me. It hurts to read some of my fellow reefers views, I hope everyone can focus on change in the future. I respect all of you and wish you all the best.

Well said Rob. I couldn't agree more that this is a huge time internationally.

SuAsati
11-05-2008, 10:18 PM
So a reduction in profit does not mean increases in consumer pricing? That's rediculous. The more expenses (i.e. taxes) a business has, the more their profits shrink. The reduction in profits results in an increase in price. Pretty simple, huh?

In capitalism price is set by demand... not by how much the tax is going to be... after all, less income means less tax....
You can sell a few items with higher price or sell higher number with lesser price and have the same profit. Any business that controls it pricing on taxes to adjust their bottom line is sure to fail... and it has nothing to do with taxes.

tim8111
11-05-2008, 10:19 PM
That's why your wages are higher on a 1099 on the same job scope. In the same stretch, after you top the FICA you get to keep 15%, so what? that is capitalism... As a full time employes once I cap I don;t see the extra 7.5% now do I? There are ups and downs to everything...
My point was somehow paying a few more in taxes for a small business that makes over 250K would destroy them is just plain bogus. They may not like to pay more, but it ain't going to destroy them.

Well, I have never reached the cap so I would not know what that feels like. I do not know what you do, and unless you have been in my shoes running a hobby retail store like I currently am, you do not know what a few more dollars is or is not going to do. You are entitled to your opion as I am to mine. I should not have posted here, I see this now. I have done this before and told myself not to do so again. I must be a glutton for punishment. :)


So what exactly does reduced profits via taxation mean??? Increased prices eventually, right?

Yep in the order of the increase plus the percent or two required to cover the increase tax percent on the increased product price.

Hey Tim,
The IRS just gobbled up 2 months of rent. What do you do????? Lower your prices?

If I was the government and could run a negative balance sheet yep. :) Of course I could try to get more credit and try that idea. :unsure:

SuAsati
11-05-2008, 10:23 PM
Well, I have never reached the cap so I would not know what that feels like. I do not know what you do, and unless you have been in my shoes running a hobby retail store like I currently am, you do not know what a few more dollars is or is not going to do. You are entitled to your opion as I am to mine. I should not have posted here, I see this now. I have done this before and told myself not to do so again. I must be a glutton for punishment. :)



If you haven't, under obama plan you will see more tax break than McCain, in which case sighting tax policy as your opposition to obama doesn't make much sense to me. That's all.

MvM
11-05-2008, 10:28 PM
In capitalism price is set by demand... not by how much the tax is going to be... after all, less income means less tax....
You can sell a few items with higher price or sell higher number with lesser price and have the same profit. Any business that controls it pricing on taxes to adjust their bottom line is sure to fail... and it has nothing to do with taxes.
Note how I used taxes and expenses synonymously. Any expense will increase prices in capitalist market. But until someone can compete with a similar product for less (i.e. reduced expenses, in which lower taxes is not possible) the consumer has 2 choices, pay more for a product, or don't buy it....

MvM
11-05-2008, 10:28 PM
If you haven't, under obama plan you will see more tax break than McCain, in which case sighting tax policy as your opposition to obama doesn't make much sense to me. That's all.
Facts?

tim8111
11-05-2008, 10:31 PM
If you haven't, under obama plan you will see more tax break than McCain, in which case sighting tax policy as your opposition to obama doesn't make much sense to me. That's all.

Actually, I never cited that as the reason I didn't support Obama. You must have read into that. I stated that when Amberjack used the word Individual that also meant businesses such as mine.

johnr2604
11-05-2008, 10:38 PM
We also know that you have no aspiration to reach the threshold right Tim?

MvM
11-05-2008, 10:42 PM
We also know that you have no aspiration to reach the threshold right Tim?
John, clearly if you're up this late you have no aspirations. Oh crap, I need to go to sleep. :lol2: :lol2:

tim8111
11-05-2008, 10:43 PM
We also know that you have no aspiration to reach the threshold right Tim?

Nope not at all :D

SuAsati
11-05-2008, 10:50 PM
Facts?

That's what is posted according to their plan.. if you want to call it facts.

johnr2604
11-05-2008, 10:52 PM
John, clearly if you're up this late you have no aspirations. Oh crap, I need to go to sleep. :lol2: :lol2:LOL

mysterybox
11-05-2008, 10:58 PM
Im glad that people are finding the time to write about this issue of the presidency, But we really need to focus on the fact that there will be ignorant people trying to kill this man because of his race and only because of his race. We need to come together as a people and pray we can keep this man alive. The country will be divided if something happens to him. WE WILL TAKE TEN STEPS BACK AND CHOAS WILL FLOOD THE STREETS LIKE NEVER BEFORE. THIS CAN REALLY CAUSE THE BIGGEST WAR WE'VE EVER SEEN.


I believe that you may be correct in stating that there might be attempts at his life. However, i hope it will not come to pass. There will always be attempts made on leaders for whatever reason as there was with Bush, Reagan, The Pope and many others. I would venture to say that he will be very well protected. Since I have no control over that, I can't worry everyday that it might come to pass. That is a worldwide problem. Not just Obama.

To say this country will be in chaos is the most idiotic thing I've heard all day. So, assuming Obama gets assassinated, and it is a white guy, then the entire black population is going to blame the entire white population? Is that what you are saying? so i can blame you when a Black man murders a white female? Or visa versa? you can blame me? I won't have the right to mourn because I am white? Did I misread your comments?

Amberjack
11-05-2008, 10:58 PM
This really has been interesting. This thread started almost exactly 24 hrs. ago and went on all day. Again thanks for everyones input.

Good Luck and Good Night.

mojo
11-05-2008, 10:59 PM
And with that, I'm closing the thread.... :)