View Full Version : The death of ATI cards?


DannyBradley
02-22-2008, 7:06 PM
http://www.nvidia.com/object/io_1203588081917.html

I'm now starting to get upset about paying $640 for my MSI Liquid Cooled 8800GTX... nah. It was still worth it. Does ATI have any legs to stand on after the brick they tried to resell as the 2900 XTX.

blackwolfl
02-22-2008, 7:35 PM
the 9600 gt is slower than the 8800 gt http://www.tomshardware.com/2008/02/21/nvidia_geforce_9600_gt/page20.html
its just at a better price point for the value gamers. But you are right ati/amd needs to step it up they are getting beaten on both fronts for video cards and processors

Xyzpdq0121
02-22-2008, 7:36 PM
Ya, my best friend has two 8800's SLIed together for a total of 1.5M of video card... I do not think anything that ATI can or will put out for a while will compare to it!

Skriz
02-22-2008, 9:09 PM
ATI sucks!

Seedless Reefer
02-22-2008, 9:41 PM
ATI has been spanking NVIDIA for years now it is NVIDIA's turn.

Sooner or later ATI will once again beat NVIDIA.

Persoanlly I have been in the ATI camp since my cards always spanked any of the Geforce cards. These two companies will continue to battle for supremacy just like Intel and AMD.

With that being said...and Linda doesn't know it yet but my new computer is in the works AND I will be switching from AMD to Intel and from ATI to NVIDIA.

There I've said it.

Current PC is this.....

Abit AT8 32X
Athlon FX-57
2 gig Mushkin PC3200
X850XT Platinum Edition Crossfire
2 WD Raptor 36g RAID 0
1 WD 120g IDE


The new PC is this....

MSI P7N Diamond
Intel Q6600 Quad Core
4GB PC6400 (Probably OCZ, Crucial or Corsair)
8800 GT x 2 SLI
4 WD Raptor 36g 10,000 RPM RAID 0
1 Terabyte Seagate (2 x 500g) 16mb SATA RAID 2

Got Frags?

DrNecropolis
02-22-2008, 9:56 PM
Look at Voodoo pcs, check out the Omen and the options on that monster

Ati vs Nvida
Just compare hardware between the 360(ati)and the ps3(nv)

DannyBradley
02-22-2008, 10:22 PM
The 9600 GPUs are clocked higher than the 8800s. They have less ram. I didn't check the benchmark between them. I would think that two 9600 GT would beat my 8800 GTX at 30% less cost.

I'm sitting on the verge of an upgrade and I'll probably drop AMD for the first time and go to Intel, unless AMD gets their act together and puts out a quad core that can really compete. I'm still stuck on a 939 socket. I can still play everything, but Crysis is a little too chunky.

Asus A8N32-SLI Deluxe ALife Gaming mobo
Athlon 4000+ @ 2.6gHz w/ Zalman heatsink
3GB Geil Dual channel DDR ram
Liquid Cooled 8800 GTX
Thermaltake 750w PSU
Soundblaster Audigy 2 Platinum
2 x 22" Westinghouse LCDs
Logitech 5.1 Surround

Seedless Reefer
02-23-2008, 6:15 AM
No the 9600 is a mid tier card

Linda Lee
02-23-2008, 6:41 AM
and Linda doesn't know it yet but my new computer is in the works ...

Didn't think I'd peek into a boring computer-related thread, hmmmmmm?

Couple of points ---

#1) we didn't win the lottery last night, and

#2) better finish my 90g tank/stand build before you start a computer build

(seriously)

tnyga
02-23-2008, 6:43 AM
Im glad Im not heavy into gaming anymore....couldnt afford both hobbies I was huge into it when Asherons call 2 was out

Xyzpdq0121
02-23-2008, 7:14 AM
IMHO Nvidia started to kick the crap out of ATI a few years ago when Battlefield 2 came out... That game set NVidia apart

DannyBradley
02-23-2008, 8:35 AM
These are the 9600s on the market now. There isn't one under 650MHz and a few that crack 700MHz. They use 512mb GDDR3 at up to 1950MHz.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Description=9600+gt&x=0&y=0

The 8800GTX hits 650mHz and up to 1800MHZ on the memory. It also only has 60% of the memory bandwidth of the 9600. I still think two 9600 GTs will smoke my single 8800 GTX. I can't wait for the 9800s.

glxtrix
02-23-2008, 11:34 AM
not too sure about gaming but I know ATI's blow for doing graphic work. Tons of display issues inside of maya...and that for both windows and apple platforms. I don't think I'd run another ATI if I was paid.

blackwolfl
02-23-2008, 11:43 AM
lol same here loved that game. me and one of my best friends played that game for months

I was huge into it when Asherons call 2 was out

Seedless Reefer
02-23-2008, 3:54 PM
not too sure about gaming but I know ATI's blow for doing graphic work. Tons of display issues inside of maya...and that for both windows and apple platforms. I don't think I'd run another ATI if I was paid.

ATI was never known for graphics work, they went strictly after the gamer and left that market to the NVIDIA Quadro however, ATI's line of FIREGL cards are pretty stout.

Corigan
02-24-2008, 12:47 AM
Never been a fan of ATI. Always had compatibility issues, driver issues, and a number of other problems with all the ATI cards I had owned. The All in wonder cards back in the day were pretty decent imho.

Matt

Cameron
02-24-2008, 1:53 AM
NVidia has always "spanked" ATI as a large number of the games out there have problems running ATI cards and ATI hasn't ever written a good Open GL driver. You can argue processor all you want (and ATI has had some great ones), but the vast majority of devs develop on NVidia and that has always stung ATI in the rear. I have owned NUMEROUS ATI video cards over the years and have been ultimately disappointed every time.... oh and I will NEVER... and I meand NEVER own another Diamond video card I don't care how good the reviews are. That company has to pay people to post good reviews of those cards IMO. The drivers suck, the software they install on a computer verges on virus/trojan territory and I have never owned a series of cards that have been so crash prone due to faulty drivers.

My last card (well last card that wasn't a series upgrade) was an ATI and it was my last. I gave them one last chance as they were king of the hill then, but again two of my games ran like *** and crashed all over the place... NVidia while at the time slightly slower benchmark wise ran the games flawlessly.

As someone who used to drop 4k on a desktop pretty much every year, I don't buy any current gen video cards anymore. Wait 6-12 months and buy the same tech for half the price and pretty much looks just as good. Staying current in the PC world makes salt tanks look affordable.

Corigan
02-24-2008, 2:16 AM
As someone who used to drop 4k on a desktop pretty much every year, I don't buy any current gen video cards anymore. Wait 6-12 months and buy the same tech for half the price and pretty much looks just as good. Staying current in the PC world makes salt tanks look affordable.
Amen to this statement. I always stay a step behind just due to the fact they still will run the games fine, and it doesn't kill the pocket book on upgrade day.

Matt

DrNecropolis
02-24-2008, 8:07 AM
Not really on topic but kinda, I was just glancing through Xbox magazine and a game(only for the 360) had the Nvidia logo(you know " The way it was meant to play") at the bottom, kinda odd since the 360 runs ATI cards.. Thought that was kinda funny.

George
02-25-2008, 9:31 AM
NVidia has the top end locked up, but there are some excellent buys from ATI in the mid-range ($200-$300) category that measure up well to their NVidia counterparts. If you want image quality on DVD playback, ATI puts out some better cards than NVidia in that category. However the market wants contenders in the top end. That's why people speculate the ATI is dead.

I've run NVidia for quite a while now, but I have an ATI 9500 Pro card that's still capable of running many newer games surprisingly well for a 6 year old chip. Mostly due to it being an under-clocked exact duplicate of the 9700 Pro which was king in its day.